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cachieng
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Rising Talent and Job Success Score

I'm just wondering if anyone has been wondering about all the jobs being posted by clients looking for contractors with 90% Job Success Score and Rising Talent?

 

It just does not make sense to me. Could someone enlighten me on this?

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iloveworks
Member

Collete, 

 

After looking at your post, I went through some of the job posts and did not found that clients are looking for 90% JSS, However What I can imagine is, Clients may have options to choose an range of JSS score and some clients does and some doesn't. 

 

This should not be an matter of worry, from my experience you should concentrate on your findings and maintain good performance. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Thanks. 

I don't know where yfou searched but they are plenty of clients doing this. Even worse are those looking for entry level contractors with a 90% JSS

*** Edited for Community Guidelines ***

 

It's not JSS AND Rising Talent.  It's JSS OR Rising Talent.  

 

Even if you don't meet those parameters, you can still apply for the jobs.  My second job on Upwork (and my longest running client ever) required 500 hours, a qualification I was no where near meeting.  I think a strong proposal and solid work history helped me land that gig.

As I had mentioned in my earlier post that there are some clients who are using this feature to filter the freelancers and some clients not. So probably, I am seeing jobs clients did not choose the JSS to filter freelancers. 
 
And I am agree with Christy, you even can apply any jobs though client asks for 90% JSS. 
 
Thanks.

lysis10
Member


@Collete Juliet A wrote:

I'm just wondering if anyone has been wondering about all the jobs being posted by clients looking for contractors with 90% Job Success Score and Rising Talent?

 

It just does not make sense to me. Could someone enlighten me on this?


Sure, I will enlighten.

 

I'm a client and I go to Upwork because I want some good work because lets face it how many people say "wow I'd like to pay for some really crappy work today." So, Upwork has this thing called JSS that helps me identify the good from the OK to the horrendous. I say "well, I would like good work so I will see what's the best out there so I'm gonna choose the 90% range because that is the best." Since I would like the best for my money, I choose it because who in their right mind actually says "wow I'd like the worst provider on the platform so I'm gonna specify that low quality bidders are welcome."

 

Makes sense, yes? 

garnorm
Member

Hi Collete,

Wonder no more! This Announcement here will help explain what you're seeing.

 

 

 


@Garnor M wrote:

Hi Collete,

Wonder no more! This Announcement here will help explain what you're seeing.



One of Collete's pertinent questions, is why are clients able to look for entry-level freelancers with a 90% success rate? The article does not seem to cover this.

 

Yes Nichola that is not covered. 


@Nichola L wrote:

 

 

 


@Garnor M wrote:

Hi Collete,

Wonder no more! This Announcement here will help explain what you're seeing.



One of Collete's pertinent questions, is why are clients able to look for entry-level freelancers with a 90% success rate? The article does not seem to cover this.

 


 Why should they not be able to pick that?

 

There are plenty of freelancers who are very good at entry level work. Having successfully completed 9 or more out of 10 entry level jobs does not mean one is beyond entry level....

 


@Petra R wrote:

@Nichola L wrote:

 

 

 


@Garnor M wrote:

Hi Collete,

Wonder no more! This Announcement here will help explain what you're seeing.



One of Collete's pertinent questions, is why are clients able to look for entry-level freelancers with a 90% success rate? The article does not seem to cover this.

 


 Why not?

 

There are plenty of freelancers who are very good at entry level work. Having successfully completed 9 or more out of 10 entry level jobs does not mean one is beyond entry level....

 


 I think it sends out the wrong message. There are also seasoned freelancers who have a 90% success rate. Add entry level and the client expects stellar work for very little payment. I thought this is precisely what Upwork wishes to avoid.

 

Edited to add: Freelancers who are at this level, even if they are relatively new, should not be working for peanuts.

Hi Garnor, I still feel this is a little confusing. We know that these are default settings which most clients do not change either because they are not are or something else. 

 

So how are our proposals presented to the clients. Does Upwork hide the proposals that do not meet criteria? 

They've said 1000 times they don't hide proposals.

 

inb4 that guy who swears that they do.

Hi Collette,

 

We do not hide proposals. All proposals are still available to the client.

 

-Lena

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Ok but only those who will meet the recommended criteria of rising talent and 90%JSS would come at the top. 

For the client to see any other proposals they have to change the filter by unhiding the rest of the proposals. 

 

I can say this confidently because for the jobs I've posted and hired here on Upwork that is what happened. 

 

Funny thing is, none of there recommend contractors actually met my needs.

 

For 1 job I ended up picking someone who was like number 20 on my list of proposals. 

Hi mam

there is something happening on my profile with Job success score (JSS). already, i have completed 3 jobs successfully and 4 jobs are progressing now. but one of them is totally inactive since 2015 (almost a year+). and my profile shows the JSS score only 63% ! i thought the scores will be minimum 80% scores because of one job is inactive for the long time. and i am trying to say the client to cancel the contact but the client doesn't respons me.

this was my profile  and job history. so, please tell me what is happening on my profile with the job JSS scores?

and after completing the rest of jobs with better feedback can my profile reach out 80% above scores?  because i know good feedback with very more JSS scores (80%-90%) is very effective to get a new job very easy . so, please help me .

Hi mam, Lena

would you like to give me the answer what i mentioned above ? please give me the response now?

it's 8am on a Sunday where Lena's located. You're gonna have to wait buddy.

 

eta: your jss is probably right and you're kidding yourself

how am i kidding myself ,mam Jennifer! i don't have so much knowledge how to works job success scores. if any part of my asking topics are lackness so please let me know it and it will be my pleasure.

Hi  Md Waled,

 

Your JSS measures the amount of great outcomes you've received. You have 4 contracts in progress. If they close with great outcomes your JSS will definitely go up. You can find more information about JSS, here

 

-Lena

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thanks mam but one more thing,  my one job is inactive out of  4 progressing jobs for the long time (almost 14 months). and only after finishing the first milestone (client budget was $4), i am trying to my client let me do his project by making the second milestones or kindly end the inactive contract. i requested him many times but he doesn't response me even i told him that if he was not satisfied with my finishing task then i am also ready to resolve the project without extra costs. after this proposed he doesn't also response me any more! so, mam advise me what can i do now about this inactive project and the client.

 by the way mam, can this inactive job decrease my JSS scores?

14 months means they are ignoring you

just close it yourself

yes it will affect your jss but there is nothing you can do

hi mam, jennifer

thank you for your kind information but how can i myself close this contract? is there any path available to close it.

1. Click on the "My Jobs" option from the top menu.

2. Click "Job Details" from the contract in question. 

3. Click "End Contract" from the right-hand side, next to "Give a Refund".

Hi sir, Lavan

but upwork will let me do it ? or next time , will i not face any trouble if i do it according to direction?

You should be able to do it no problem, and you won't face any repercussions. However, the one downside is that when clients close a contract, they are forced to provide feedback (that counts towards your Job Success Score), however when freelancers terminate a contract, no such restrictions are placed on clients.

thank you sir for your helpful information.

but sir, something is problem there.please see the attachment.

You're kinda an example as to why English is important for success on the platform.

 

But oy vey that wording in the message. I had to do a double take to understand what it meant.

ok. so now tell me , am i able to refund to the client from my upwork available funds or somehow?

That job is from April 2015. You can't. Why are you trying to refund? Just close the project and forget about it. It's $4. 

"3. Click "End Contract" from the right-hand side, next to "Give a Refund"."

I knew I shouldn't have added the 2nd part - thought it would add clarity to my instructions. I think I confused the poor chap. I officially give up.

He's trying to refund for a job that's over a year old. He can't. It's likely to counteract the 63% JSS, which is probably pretty accurate.

I'm starting a GoFundMe campaign to build a wall around Upwork, wanna contribute?

 

All kidding aside, Waled, simply end the contract and forget about this matter. The headache (yours, along with mine) isn't worth the effort you're putting into it.

so,mam

what is my responsibility about this project? otherwise, you said that just close it that means will i end the contract.

Hi mam,

i ended the job but my profile is showing still progressing status of that job.

It takes time to update. the cstomer has 2 weeks to rate you and it's likely that they won't.

thank you, mam for your helpful information.

I've not posted an open job, just invites. But when I invited freelancers, one freelancer was highlighted as recommended. The others were still available for me to view. 

 

I believe that when a client receives multiple proposals, a limited number are displayed. The remainders are available if the client selects show more. This works in the same way as a blog or any other online resource where you have to select more to see more information. The alternative is to have an endless scroll on a single page. The client would still have to scroll down to see more than the first few proposals. Like it or not, it is physically impossible for every proposal to be viewable concurrently. 

 

From a client perspective, I sincerely doubt that people aren't getting hired based on where their proposal shows up. It is not as if I'm going to hire someone incompetent just because I didn't want to go to the next page to look at more options.

 

And really, if there are 100's of applicants and they are all qualified. I think the best way to get more jobs would be to acquire more skills so that you can apply for jobs where there aren't 100's of qualified applicants.