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mcharal
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Scam or Not? (Telegram)

Continuation of my post earlier. Is this photo legitimate? Would UpWork say that?

A client I was referred to in Telegram, through a job posting here, just sent me this photo when I told them that due to general behaviour (lack of guidelines and care) I suspected them to be a scammer.

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sofia2008
Community Member

You got all the relevant informations in your post yesterday. If freelancers are not allowed to talk outside of Upwork before being hired on Upwork, same goes for the clients.

 

If you are invited to communicate outside of Upwork, report them, and stop communicating with them. No need to tell them you think they are scammers, they already know that ๐Ÿ˜‰

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edesignmk
Community Member

If the contract is not awarded to you, then do not talk outside the platform. 

There was no contract. I am an "active candidate" for this job, but when I try to view my proposal, this message appears:

"This job has been removed from Upwork, so we are no longer able to retrieve your proposal."

wescowley
Community Member

You are right to be suspicious. I very much doubt that is legitimate.

 

Unless the client is an enterprise client (there will be a badge on the job post saying so if they are) then you cannot communicate with them outside of Upwork's tools before you have a contract.

It says I am an "active candidate" for this job, but when I try to view my proposal, this message appears:

"This job has been removed from Upwork, so we are no longer able to retrieve your proposal."

There is no contract, so I cannot see any information about the client.

You need to stop wasting your time like this. 

Scam -> move on. 

pgiambalvo
Community Member

Total scam. Besides all the other red flags, Upwork would never use grammar like that.


Peter G wrote:

Total scam. Besides all the other red flags, Upwork would never use grammar like that.


Oh but they do! Some wording is really really terrible. 


Martina P wrote:

Peter G wrote:

Total scam. Besides all the other red flags, Upwork would never use grammar like that.


Oh but they do! Some wording is really really terrible. 


Yes. Upwork definitely does sometimes word things in less-than-direct ways. I was trying to pull up the appropriate item in the Terms of Use. They really could have worded this in plain English.
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@Maria C What this means is that clients can't contact you outside of Upwork before they have a contract with you (once you have a contract in place, you can communicate in whatever way you choose). Use of any third-party app (contact through Whatsapp or an outside email account or any other channel) would be a violation of Upwork's Terms of Use.

So there's no way Upwork would have sent any client a message like the one in the image you posted.

sofia2008
Community Member

You got all the relevant informations in your post yesterday. If freelancers are not allowed to talk outside of Upwork before being hired on Upwork, same goes for the clients.

 

If you are invited to communicate outside of Upwork, report them, and stop communicating with them. No need to tell them you think they are scammers, they already know that ๐Ÿ˜‰

A freelancer does not benefit by telling somebody she thinks they are a scammer.

 

What if the freelancer is wrong?

 

Then telling a real client that he is a scammer would be very bad customer service!

 

How would you like it if you walked into a store and the clerk told you that he thinks you are a thief?
You would probably not like that! And you might tell people about your bad experience. Or you migth talk to manager about the clerk's bad behavior.

 

You can tell a prospective client that he needs to communicate with you on the Upwork platform until you have been officially hired using an Upwork contract. You can follow the rules without telling somebody that they are a scammer.


Preston H wrote:

A freelancer does not benefit by telling somebody she thinks they are a scammer.


That is why I wrote: "No need to tell them you think they are scammers..."

 


Preston H wrote:

You can tell a prospective client that he needs to communicate with you on the Upwork platform until you have been officially hired using an Upwork contract. You can follow the rules without telling somebody that they are a scammer.


I agree with you. In that particular case and for new freelancers, we just saw how convincing the scammers can be to move further to create doubt. I think walking away can be an option to avoid being tempted to give it a try.

martina_plaschka
Community Member

It could be from upwork, but definitely not from an English speaker. 

In any case, what is the client trying to prove to you with this? Unclear. 

I doubt Upwork would tell a client he can communicate with the pool of freelancers applicants he already has using a third party app. Maybe a Moderator can confirm.

 

I think the client is trying to prove that it is safe to do so, as per his fake Upwork version.

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