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maki1986
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Scam?

Hi, I need some advice. I do not have much experience as a freelancer but I received a job offer today for full-time job. Clien don't have history, payment not verified. I accepted the offer and then he told me in short what my responsibilities will be. He didn't ask any question about what experience do I have or similar,he just ask for a Skype. Another strange thing is, person who talked with me, I saw on upwork messanger,he is from Israel and client upwork profile is marketing agency , I don't want to mention the agency name. However, there is not such agency in Israel, at least they don't have a website, strange for marketing agency. When I type agency name in Google, there is marketing agency with exact name in UK. Thanks in advance for advice
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prestonhunter
Member

If you can't find a client via Google, that is often a good sign.

 

I have made tons of money working on Upwork by not googling clients... by not doing any kind of research at all other than dealing with what the client tells me here on the Upwork website, and what I can learn about the client ONLY on the job posting page.

I have found great success (and $$$) working for clients with no history whatsoever on Upwork.

 

Here are tips:

Do NOT start working on an hourly contract until the client is payment verified.

 

Do NOT start working on a fixed-price contract milestone until the milestone is fully funded, with the amount you want to get paid visible on your My Jobs page.

 

Don't start working for anybody unless their job appears on your My Jobs page. But it seems like that's already the case for you.

 

Use the Upwork time-tracking software (the Upwork desktop application) while you work and follow the rules.

 

If you have a valid Upwork contract and the client pays you real money (through Upwork) to do legitimate work you know how to do, then that's not a scam. If you're really, really not sure... then you could do just a few hours of work this week, and see that the time and money actually goes into your account (look at your Reports page)... If the week ends, and money moves from the "Work in Progress" into the "In Review" box... then I'd say you're set.

slivaniou
Member

How did the client send you an offer with an unverified method of payment? I thought it was a prerequisite. Was it an offer or an invitation?

re: "How did the client send you an offer with an unverified method of payment? I thought it was a prerequisite."

 

It's not required.

maki1986
Member

Thanks for advice Preston. I am not so concerned with payment verification. The interview was odd. He didn't ask me anything about my experience, some references... It was to easy. I was invited once for interview for a client from Germany, I did not get the job but that was a real job interview and many questions to check my competency.

Mladen: I don't know if the particular job you accepted is legitimate or not.

 

Most real Upwork clients don't ask for references.

 

You should definitely not do anything you're not comfortable with. Return here as many times as you want and ask questions. Other community forum participants, as well as myself, are all happy to offer advice.

re: "The interview was odd. He didn't ask me anything about my experience... It was to easy"

 

When people apply to jobs that I post (as a client), I can see their profile pages and their portfolios.

 

I rarely interview anybody.

 

I have hired dozens of freelancers straight from the job candidates queue, with no interview.

 

Sometimes they have been hired within minutes after applying, finish a project within an hour or two, and walk away with cash and a positive feedback review.

 

Sometimes it IS easy.

And sometimes "clients" have an angle and are trying to totally mess you up as part of some greedy scheme.

maki1986
Member

I was invited for an interview. He didn't offer me a job through upwork. We just agreed the terms and then he wanted my Skype.

re: "I was invited for an interview. He didn't offer me a job through upwork. We just agreed the terms and then he wanted my Skype."

 

Ah. Well... that's not good.

 

If he is not hiring you through Upwork, but contacted you on Upwork, then here are your most likely outcomes:

 

a) you will be suspended from Upwork. Or terminated permanently and banned from using the site

b) the client will trick you into doing work for free or sending him money

or

c) both of these

 

If you click on your "My Jobs" tab, and don't see an official Upwork contract for the job, then you shouldn't work (because you won't get paid) and you can't work (because you would be violating one of Upwork's most sacred rules).

In that case, make sure there is an active contract under "my jobs" before starting any work for this client.

maki1986
Member

Sorry, I meant to say he didn't haire me through upwork.

Mladen:

You don't even live in the same country as this "client," and he is offering you a "full time job" but NOT through Upwork?

 

He's just wasting your time and trying to trick you. Do you think he is going to pay you money?

maki1986
Member

That is exactly why I asked question here. When we agreed terms , I was thinking that he will send me job invitation through upwork but he wanted my Skype. I really appreciate your time to help me with this. I feel so much relief now.
aocumen
Community Manager
Community Manager

Hi Mladen, 


It is good that you reached out to the community and the community members have given valuable inputs about this client. As everyone has said, please do not start working on any project with this client unless he has offerred you a contract via Upwork. 


Please also take note that offering and accepting to work off the platform is a violation of the Upwork ToS. 

EDIT: Mladen, please take note that the job post is no longer available on the platform and actions have been taken against the client account. Please stop communicating with this client. 


~ Avery
Upwork
kat303
Member


@Mladen I wrote:
Hi, I need some advice. I do not have much experience as a freelancer but I received a job offer today for full-time job. Clien don't have history, payment not verified.
A client doesn't have to have a history or a verified payment in order for them to offer you a job. I've worked with a lot of new clients with no verified payment. However I do NOT start work until the clients account is verified AND the total amount for the job or for each milestone is funded into escrow. That goes for those "rush jobs, need in 2 hours." Unless they can somehow get their account verified in under 2 hours, they are not getting the work from me until they do.
I accepted the offer and then he told me in short what my responsibilities will be. He didn't ask any question about what experience do I have or similar,he just ask for a Skype.
The offer to hire you MUST be made on this site. Do not fall for a clients word of mouth in a statement or message to you saying this is my offer." or "You're hired." A client created a contract with the terms and payment amounts and submits it to you on this site after clicking on the HIRE button of your proposal/profile. You'll get that contract under the My Jobs section. If there's no contract/offer then you're not officially hired.
Another strange thing is, person who talked with me, I saw on upwork messanger,he is from Israel and client upwork profile is marketing agency , I don't want to mention the agency name. However, there is not such agency in Israel, at least they don't have a website, strange for marketing agency. When I type agency name in Google, there is marketing agency with exact name in UK. Thanks in advance for advice
I don't know much about Marketing Agencies - whether a person has to be in the same country or not. I'm assuming you can be in a different country as long as communication is current and all information that's needed to do your job is provided to you in a timely manner.
Also, I do not google company names to see if the client works there, or if the company name comes up in Google. Scammers usually provide a company name that they copied from the internet and many also pick an employee's name from that company. So if you Google the company name, it'll come up with a valid website and if you look for the name the client gave you, in the companies employee list, you'll find it. As long as I have a valid contract, verified payment and funds deposited into escrow I don't care where they are from.
Finally, it's perfectly alright to communicate through Skype, email, phone, or messanging (except Google handouts with is known for scammers) to find out information you'll need for the job. Just do not give any personal information, address, passport information, credit card or Paypal account numbers, Bank account information or numbers or any information on any legal looking forms the client may say that's needed in order for you to work with them.

 

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