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Sudden increase of hourly rate

Hi all o desker's I am trying to apply for applications at the rate of 1$ per hour. This is my profile rate too. But since yesterday O desk has started requiring me to enter a value between $4.00 and 899$. If i apply at the rate of 4$ an hour i will be loosing my competitive edge among the rest of the applicants for that particular job. Can someone please explain the reason for this kind of move by O desk.
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zoomconcepts
Member

If that's the only competitive edge you have, perhaps it's time to think about working on something else that would make you stand out amongst the rest of the applicants. Plus, because this is the second or third thread I'm reading on this subject, and one mentioned that the feature varies from job to job...Didn't any of you guys thought it through before you started complaining about it? If this is indeed true and oDesk has implemented a feature where the client can set a minimum of $4, that means none of the other applicants will be able to bid below that. So you'll still have an even start and you won't need to drive your rate underground to get "a competitive edge".

It would be nice if oDesk announced this somewhere, if they did implement this. Whether you like it or not, it's still a big change. Does it work both ways? Can your application get filtered out if your quote is too high?

They're probably still beta testing it.

Right.

Hi Bojana O desk hasn't implemented this feature for all o desk freelancer's. I got it confirmed from the help and support center. It's just for a certain group of freelancers that o desk has chosen to Beta test this feature.

They're testing the feature on a group of freelancers instead on just some jobs? If that's true, it's downright stupid decision.

Are they testing it on clients or freelancers. If they're testing it on clients or on certain jobs they post then there should be no problem since everyone who applies for the job can only bid so low. If it's just on certain freelancers and as a result other freelancers can bid lower then that is kind of stupid.

I'm sad I can't put a like thumb on your post Bojana.
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you should just keep your mouth shut if you cant give good advice with out that sarcastic line.
sojibcu20
Member

I am also facing this situation. I appreciate it.
manzurlm
Member

oDesk Hourly rate is now minimum $3. oDesk and Elance are now same rates. I hope it will be good for us.
asajid
Member

Hi everyone, We are constantly testing different levers to increase the efficiency of the oDesk marketplace to ensure clients are finding the freelancers they need and freelancers are getting the jobs that they are best suited for. We have several tests running to understand what impact a minimum wage would have on the marketplace. As this is a complex area, we expect to run these tests in the marketplace for a significant time period. However we are not currently implementing a universal minimum wage. Hope this helps!
oDesk Forum Moderator Always reach for the skies, for even if you fall, you'll still be on the top of the world...

i am also facing the same problem. that's why most of the clients declined my aplication since my hourly rate on my application is 4$ and they are looking for lower rates.can't even change it, but on my profile it displays as 1$.

This process would benefit freelancers and not good for clients. But $3 minimum rate is still too little for clients from the US, Australia, and other European to spend on a freelancer, compare to their actual workers who work on their offices or in the field. I go to the other freelance site to apply for hourly jobs, because the minimum hourly rate there is $3 and for minimum fixed price bidding is $20... I only go back here in Odesk if my application credit rans out on the other site. I hope you can set a minimum for fixed rate bidding also, depending on budget indicated by client. I still love Odesk, here is where I earned a lot when I was starting to be a online Freelancer... but the bidding process now is getting so competitive that even someone can bid for 1cent. I also hope that you could let us view faster the average bidding results like years ago, so we could know how much to bid on a job.

it doesn't benefits some freelancers like me. I have been working on Odesk as a freelance virtual assistant, I have lots of experiences and skills for the past 24 months but I can't consider myself expert and worthy to be rated $4 an hour. I am afraid to accept contracts rating me $4 because I may not deliver what they are expecting from me.

You're definitely right. The reason why most clients prefer Odesk because they can try a freelancer and then withdraw when they aren't satisfied with its service. And that's what a minimum hourly rate does. If a freelancer charges too low hourly rate then it's up to her/him. He/She accepted the deal with that rate so that means it's not too low for him. I hope this beta test ends. Can't find a job anymore. Doesn't help alot of freelancers.

Most of the jobs posted in oDesk now a days containing the feature "Entry Level- I am looking for freelancers with the lowest rates" OR " Do not bid above $2/hr" etc. and oDesk restricted my asking rate from $4 to above. If oDesk try to implement he minimum wage even for a trial basis- this should be same for all. Some one can bid below $4 and some one not. Isn't it a discrimination? How can I expect to get a job where the platform is not same for all? How long this will continue? Thanks! Shehnaj
mistykeith
Member

For far too long there has been this issue of "low bidders" and the quality of Odesk at question. No one should bid for work at such low rates, and while $3.00 or $4.00 an hour is even very low, it sure does even out the playing field a great deal. There is no sense is being so cheap just to get a job. Skill is what is important. Who cares if the work is cheap if it isn't worth a d**n? When I see a comment such as this OP gave about the $1.00 bidding being his or her competitive edge it made me sick. Don't they have anything else to work with, and if they don't--well then they don't need to be in this business. You will always get exactly what you pay for, but let's be clear too. Hiring the appropriate ways and keeping a level of respect for each side is just as important. Cheap labor is not perfect; and it is wrong. If you feel you need to bid $.50 cents to $1.00 per hour to do a job then you really need to consider what your own worth is. People need to quit complaining about this when it is something that has been up in the air for quite some time.

To understand the unfortunate impact of raising the minimum wage, you have to talk with the contractors and really understand their situation at home in their respective countries. Not to say this was designed to "protect" them, but if it was, it surely does the exact opposite. For many, Odesk is the best and ONLY alternative form of work that they can find aside from grueling labor jobs in horrible conditions. Odesk is the most convenient tool they use to provide for their family. Labor conditions in many third world countries are extremely bad, so before assuming that raising the minimum wage is going to help overall, while it may increase the bottom line of odesk and help them become a more efficient company, it's truly going to hurt contractors with little to no experience, little English skills or any skills, from making a living and "breaking" into the market. Understand that some people make 50 cents an hour in their countries and are forced to walk many miles to their job and work grueling 12 hours shifts. At the very least whatever rate they are getting on Odesk, they can work out of the comfort of their own home and be on the road to build a reputation that may garner them a minimum wage equivalent to that of the US which enables them to be the sole provider of their families. So while it seems like an ugly practice on the surface to try and contract with those overseas at low rates, one must truly step back, or even engage with the contractors themselves....learn their situation and truly understand why they would be willing to aggressively pursue a contract with such a low hourly. It's all about perspective. I use to wrestle with this as well until I talked to countless contractors that assured me that Odesk was nothing short of a savior. Low rates and all.

I agree Chris, and it is truley unfair that individuals on the 'beta testing' are put in this unfair and discriminatory position. I really do not know how O-Desk believe they are in a position to declare world wage rates, and to also decide who can bid low and who cannot. Within the circumstances of the families involved (instead of the comfy circumstances of the o-desk staff), it can mean the difference between being able to feed the family or not, or having to leave the kids at home unsupervised while going off to work. I see from this thread that this Beta testing has been going for a while now and it is very unfortunate that we as O-Desk employers have not been aware, or I for one would have been speaking up sooner.

[quote=Ally D.]Within the circumstances of the families involved (instead of the comfy circumstances of the o-desk staff), it can mean the difference between being able to feed the family or not, or having to leave the kids at home unsupervised while going off to work. [/quote] Hang on. If being paid such low rates makes such a huge difference, do you really think they don't want to make a little bit more? Why feel great about supplying work to someone at a rate that allows them to feed their families but still leaves them mostly impoverished. Give yourself kudos if you want for your measly $1-3, but it is clear that no one is living well on it. [quote=Ally D.]I really do not know how O-Desk believe they are in a position to declare world wage rates. [/quote] It is so funny when complainers about this pop off with something like this. It betrays how little you know about basic business practices and world economics. First of all, as a world wide platform, they are in a position to affect world pay rates (rates, not wages. Wages are paid by employers, which you are not). The fact that the rates paid on oDesk have an effect on rates charged elsewhere likely has very little to do with their decision in this regard. I doubt they are so altruistic as a company. The fact is, they are a company, and they have every right to run their business as they see fit. If those low rate jobs are not good for their business model, they have a right to do something about it. The same way that you have the right to change how you do business if paying your freelancers one more dollar an hour is going to break your bank.

The online work sites have consolidated and seem to be gaining monopolistic power. They make more money if the jobs cost more (10% fee) - hence they are trying to start an upward price war through wages. They care about the workers??? Please.

3rd or 4th thread I'm reading like this. Surprised no one has mentioned the book, "Hot, Flat & Crowded" I've paid as little as $1.11 / hour and as much as $50.00 / hour over the last couple of years. The low end of that was for PAID training for the first 50 or 100 hours, after which the pay doubled, then continued to climb at regular intervals. Over $10,000 TOTAL SPENT 29 Hires, 2 Active $5.18/hr AVG HOURLY RATE PAID 2,789 Hours Now I'm regularly running into situations in which the contractor has a good set of skills listed at $2.22 - so I'm looking to hire and train them for 50 to 100 hours at that rate, and then increase significantly. Within six months they can be at double their posted rate. BUT they are part of the oDesk "beta test" and cannot list for less than $4/hour, nearly double their posted rate. My principal associate is now earning several times what he got from me (and others) when he started. Moreover, given much positive feedback, he's earning still more on other jobs to boot. The world is hot, flat and crowded. Those with skills to compete in a virtual work world can make several times the average income of their peers in their locale, even at rates that US and European contractors scoff at. Employers pay a bit more in communication and cultural limitations; yet employers can use that experience to their advantage and continue to learn, while perfecting systems that lend themselves to efficiency. People, processes and products. Basic business. oDesk was such a system, an efficient marketplace. Now, oDesk support people are giving suggestions to jury-rig the system. Buy blocks of time at fixed rates that match desired hourly rates (no work diary). Hire a contractor and give them a limit of zero hours. When they work, give a weekly bonus at the agreed-upon lower rate. What kind of confidence does that build in an virtual marketplace for labor? I'm certain oDesk is only looking for a way to increase their own earnings - and NOT doing anything progressive or egalitarian. I am guilty of seeking bargains on labor...yet I only consider it a bargain if it continues and grows into a progressively, mutually-successful relationship. Hiring and training is time-consuming and expensive. In the end I believe that good contractors succeed - and that I succeed when they are successful. Several people working for my firm bought their first home while in my employ. They do their part. I do my part. It is time for oDesk to stop screwing around and do their part - by focusing on making the marketplace efficient for hiring and working, not by beta-testing ways to increase their profits. Increase your efficiency and your character, oDesk. That is the way you'll succeed. Regards, Keith

Odesk should remove such things as -I am looking for freelancers with the lowest rates, -I am looking for a mix of experience and value, -I am willing to pay higher rates for the most experienced freelancers, as part of the job application and let freelancers submit their bids with rates that suit them. It is up to the employer to decide who gets the job at what rate. This is just giving the employer opportunity to impoverish the freelancers and if any employer is looking for freelancers with the lowest rates, then they should be ready to accept results of lowest quality.
wsoza141
Member

"loosing my competitive edge" DAMN... No wonder there still exist people who come into oDesk and want to pay with their petty cash to people that work hard for their income.
smnuman
Member

Heya All!

Aren't we missing the main topic of the POST ?

I think the main question here is about the "increase in rate" & whether it is same for all or is it selective of the freelancers?

It doesn't matter whether in some country people work for $20 a month or $20k a month or even $200k a month!! The fact to the matter is whether oDesk is providing the same platform to all oDesk freelancers or to a selective few only?

I think it is and would be a healthy conversation in its own merit if we discuss it to the point.

xypoon
Member

1$ hourly rate doesn't sound like a very appealing competitive edge. Increase your hourly rate and think of another competitive edge - think of it as a motivation to improve yourself.

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expuser
Member

No, it isn't.
yssien03
Member

im also experiencing the same problem, the minimum rate is 4$ which is not really a good for a data entry job. is the site still on beta testing?

Yup. for some reason they already had installed the 3 dollar minimum rate but a good number of oDeskers are still on this beta testing of 4 dollars, tried asking support and they can only give you the annoying canned response. They should do the beta testing on those freelancers who like to throw ridiculously low rates. It seems they like setting this t those who have extremely high hours. If they really want to get good results, then its time to change the subjects not always those initial subjects(including me)

Hi Rey, On November 15 the minimum rate of $3 will be introduced for all new contracts. Until then the users who were included in the testing for $4 minimum rate will not be able to create hourly contracts with a rate lower than that. I am sorry for any inconvenience caused by it.
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jumpgee
Member

For me the minimum rate increase will decrease the amount of work I offer out. A lot of the jobs I create are nice to haves and are not necessary. At low rates like $1.50 an hour I can afford to offer up a nice to have. Recently I hired someone to do some web research for $1.11 they worked 30 hours so my cost was under $40.00. If it was going to cost me $90.00 I probably wouldn't have bothered creating that job. It was research that wasn't necessary but nice to have. I don't know if other employers are in the same boat but I imagine they are.

There is always fixed rate for those who are concerned about the minimum of $3.00 an hour on hourly jobs. You can always set up a job with a fixed rate which does not require the minimum.