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Suggestion: Replace Top Rated with Levels

Elance levelling system is better because it compares a freelancer to first both the overall system and a freelancer chosen category. However, in Upwork there's only one higher freelancer rating (Top Rated). 

 

For example, In Elance, a freelancer who earns $1,000 a month is of higher level than someone who earns $100 a month. But in Upwork both are Top Rated.

 

 

 

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fergusm1970
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I definitely agree with this. Levels are a much more graduated system; the bar for "Top Rated" is set ridiculously low. It's probably equivalent to about a level 3 on Elance.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.โ€• George Orwell

Did it ever occur to you that Upwork people are quite happy with the way things are? All we see are Elance people coming over here and screaming change this, change that, we want, we don't want, along with a lot of demeaning remarks about Upwork people. 

 

I'm sorry but after weeks of hearing this stuff I'm getting really fed up with it.


@Jean S wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that Upwork people are quite happy with the way things are?


Whaaat? Really? We are? I did not get the memo because I am the opposite of happy with Upwork and in fact quite fed up with the nonsense. I also like the suggestion because the Top Rated criteria are a joke.


@Krisztina U wrote:

@Jean S wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that Upwork people are quite happy with the way things are?


Whaaat? Really? We are? I did not get the memo because I am the opposite of happy with Upwork and in fact quite fed up with the nonsense. I also like the suggestion because the Top Rated criteria are a joke.


Your right Kristina...I should not have used the almight we ๐Ÿ™‚

 

With all the changes here lately it just hit a nerve this morning.

 

We've had so many changes, many not that great, in the last 2 1/2 months that I'm just not up for more changes which of course will be bungled royally if history is any example of how it goes here. 

"We've had so many changes, many not that great"

 

Just imagine how the Elancers feel.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.โ€• George Orwell

"Did it ever occur to you that Upwork people are quite happy with the way things are?"

 

No. Because I've been reading this forum.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.โ€• George Orwell

We'd all gladly go back to Elance and how it was (if it were up to us, which it obviously is not).

If you think freelancers getting hammered on higher fees, forced onto a platform that doesn't function correctly and required to compete with unmatched metrics isn't something to gripe about, then perhaps you should stop reading the forums.

jsutherland
Member


@Michael John M wrote:

 

For example, In Elance, a freelancer who earns $1,000 a month is of higher level than someone who earns $100 a month. But in Upwork both are Top Rated.

 

 


 Why does the person who makes $1000 get a better rating than the $100 person if they both do an excellent job and both have the exact same feedback and rating from an client?

 Why does the person who makes $1000 get a better rating than the $100 person if they both do an excellent job and both have the exact same feedback and rating from an employer?

 


 

Feedback/rating and level of performance are different things, even on Elance... (But why do you call your clients "employers"?) Smiley Surprised

Why do you have a picture where you have your middle finger up basically giving people the "bird"?

"Why does the person who makes $1000 get a better rating than the $100 person if they both do an excellent job and both have the exact same feedback and rating from an client?"

For starters because the $1000 earner made Upwork 10 times more money.

Plus, I wanted to resurrect this thread because it's an excellent idea.

Upwork PLEASE ditch the JS system for a level system.

 
---- easy like Sunday morning ----

Actually, Elance's levels are based on different criteria - not just pay. Their levels are based on greater activity, earnings, and customer satisfaction. Customer satisfaction is not the five star rating but the private satisfaction rating that the freelancer can't see. 

 

In Upwork, customer satisfaction is shown as a job success percentage. However, I don't feel this is completely accurate as the calculation for this percentage is based on non-reviews. While a client may be satisfied, sometimes he may not know how to use the system completely or fails to review the freelancer. 

 

I believe both Elance and Upwork just show client satisfaction differently. 

 

As for the complaints on Upwork changes, this is usual for any company that undergoes changes. Recently, Upwork has taken on quite a bit with Odesk and Elance. Therefore, I'm sure Upwork will take on the best features of the companies they've assumed. However, we are one big happy family now.

I'm doing a lot of running now (3 miles a time, 3-4 times a week) and snacking less. While I seem to be a lot thinner, particularly in the face, I don't appear to be losing weight as such, do you have any tips?


Jean S wrote:
 Why does the person who makes $1000 get a better rating than the $100 person if they both do an excellent job and both have the exact same feedback and rating from an client?

 

I am with Jean 100%.

 

I am against any form of freelancer rating that means those who earn more get preference over the rest, especially when the quality of work is the same. I can list too many systems that resort to this unfair practice.

 

When the garbage collector cleans your street properly, and prevents disease from infesting your community; or the doctor who operates on you and removes what ails your system - why would the doctor get a higher rating because he earns more money? Both professionals do an equally excellent job. To begin with - I would pay them the same salary.

 

This is a slippery slope.

 

If you want a "Top Earner" badge - go right ahead. But never a badge that says you are more competent than me because your category earns more money!

---- easy like Sunday morning ----

"If you want a "Top Earner" badge - go right ahead."
 

I don't want any stupid badges at all. I want a steady supply of decent jobs to bid on, and a site that has decent functionality and works reliably.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.โ€• George Orwell


@fergus M wrote:

"If you want a "Top Earner" badge - go right ahead."
 

I don't want any stupid badges at all. I want a steady supply of decent jobs to bid on, and a site that has decent functionality and works reliably.


That's what many want but the problem at the moment is people from Elance keep making all these suggestions of how they think things should be on Upwork and it completely distracts Upwork from making the fixes to the search problems that we have been complaining about since May 5 when the new system started.

 

How about you support all the Upwork people in trying to get the search feature fixed and leave all the suggestions until a bit later?

 

Another area is the messaging system has not been working for some time and job offers are not getting through to us? Could you Elancers help us with this important fix that we need????? 

"How about you support all the Upwork people in trying to get the search feature fixed and leave all the suggestions until a bit later?"

 

We're "Upwork people" too, albeit not by choice. The general feeling on the Elance forum is that the search issue is just one of many serious problems with the Upwork platform, and that the functions that are missing are as much of an issue as the ones that are broken.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.โ€• George Orwell

@Setu

 

  • In what country is a garbage collector gets the same pay as a doctor?
  • From Upwork blog: "earnings are clear indicators of quality and consistency of work."

 

 

By that logic Miley Cyrus must be one of the smartest, most talented, and most sophisticated people in the world! What a load of old cobblers Cat Mad

  • From Upwork blog: "earnings are clear indicators of quality and consistency of work."

I haven't made hardly anything but my meagre earnings don't mean that my work wasn't consistent and rampant with quality. ๐Ÿ™‚ 

My client saw me do his job WAY better than any other freelancer he hired trust me, but I just didn't get paid what I was worth. No one's fault, it was my choice to get my feet wet over here. Good experience even though I made pocket change because the minimum wage before the new minimum wage was much lower. I was available for work every time he contacted me as well so I was consistent as well. 

The job I'm on now is getting the same treatment from me and I'm being paid much more than my first job. 

So whoever said earnings are a clear....blah blah blah isn't seeing the whole picture I guess. 

not really , 

me as designer have to work my a!$ up to get $10 per hour while a business consultant get $100 per hour , while we are doing our best , same 5 star rating, etc 

 

a business consultant only need to work a certain hours to get $1000 but in many other categories they only get paid $10 per hour so $1000 per month is quite hard to achieve

 

no offense for business consultant , just an example 

@Abby C

 

Look at some high level freelancer of Elance:

 

  • Level 40+ |  70+ Jobs |  $4 Million Earnings
  • Level 20+ |   50+ Jobs |  $400k Earnings
  • Level 15 |  3 Jobs  |  $80k Earnings

There is a statistical correlation between earnings, weighted average earnings per job and levels.

What are you guys doing on Upwork ?  ๐Ÿ˜›

"One thing I know, that I know nothing. This is the source of my wisdom"

Never mind that stuff, what about my fitness tips? Robot Very Happy

 

Ramon

 

Stick around here and soon you'll be thin and gaunt from worry and stress...

I spotted she'd published a book on it so I had a try. Clearly she ignored me, if we still had that friend option none of us ever used, she would be unfriended by now (if any of us had added anyone in the first place)

 

P.SCat Mad

 
---- easy like Sunday morning ----

 
---- easy like Sunday morning ----
anima9
Member

There was a system here that promoted the "earnings" badge. Only a real select few had it. I once got to talk to a freelancer who had the most coveted "Top 1%" as far as 12-month earnings are concerned. I believe there was a whole range like Top 1 to Top 10-15% but it accounts for ALL categories. Meaning the system won't really care where you got your money as long as you gave 10% to them. ;))

 

They removed it and I have no concrete reason why. Perhaps many freelancers here saw how those who belong in the "Top x%" levels had quite an advantage even when the skills of those who didn't have the badge were the same, if not better.

 

What people here are saying are how it would be downright unfair for those whose categories aren't known to pay high or consistently. Take a look at the Writing Category vs the Programming category for instance.  You will barely see bids above $20 in Writing but Programming bids, as I often see the spending trends of clients, easily have $20 as the minimum.

 

It's relative. If you want something like that, then something like "Top x% Earner - X Category" would be alright, I guess, and it would be like medals and can definitely be advantageous to employers looking for more "depth" in their sorting.

 

Alas, I'm still on Jean and Setu's side of the boat.

However it sinks, Ramon will keep our heads afloat ๐Ÿ˜‰

 

P.S. Let's not turn this into an Elance vs oDesk thread now.

"You will barely see bids above $20 in Writing"

 

Tell me about it. I've used eight connects this month. There's almost nothing in Writing worth applying for. People want a 20,000 word book on the budget of a 500 word blog post.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.โ€• George Orwell

It's rubbish anyway. It's based on what the clients find valuable. Computer programming is way overpaid, does the world really need another mobile app developer? While writing and customer service work are shamefully undervalued. Anyway, with some of the highest-paid people working online, you get the impression that all the money in the world wouldn't be enough to buy themselves a personality...

"Computer programming is way overpaid"

So thinks you, Ramon, so thinks you. Try telling that to a software engineer who spent 4+ years earning a bachelors degree and then invested thousands of dollars into software alone to perform their tasks.

I mean really from your perspective I can take the very opposite approach - Just about anyone can write words. Try writing some computer code since you think programmers should be paid the same as writers.

"And does anyone need another app developer"?

 

Probably, considering an app I recently published for a client already has over 300K downloads I'd say they needed an app developer. Considering the clothing brand I just released a new web page for is serving that page up hundreds of thousands of times a day and generating tens of thousands in revenue per day, I'd say they needed me. Considering the internal marketing system I developed that increased sales by 14% for a worldwide top-40 online retailer (that's millions in additional revenue btw), I'd say they needed me.

How much revenue does your writing generate for your clients? (just curious)

Value is in the eye of the beholder - so while you may think programmers are overpaid, I beg to differ. Many of us provide actual value to our clients (we make them money).

$85/hr. or even $20k for a project can sometimes be PEANUTS compared to the return received.

 

So, please, tell me how we're being overpaid some more. 

So funny you, Tim, so funny you.. You wrote in part: "I recently...I just...I developed," I, I, I.... Not quite the best way to make a point in a community environment. Besides, the best of the best programmers worldwide do not work via Upwork--not via oDesk--not via Elance. How long have you been on Elance?

Ron aka LanWanMan

No, can't be bothered.


@Ramon B wrote:

No, can't be bothered.


+1 

No, I'm not being dragged into being turned into an internet troll. I'll go for a run, chat to my fiancee, just do normal, healthy things that people whose lives aren't dictated by the virtual world do. Let them argue with themselves from now on. Cat Happy

People are paid by what the market dictates, not the intrinsic value of their job. That's why stockbrokers earn 200 times as much as nurses. Quite frankly, the rich people window lickers who watch stuff like Keeping up with the Kardasians make me sick Cat Mad

 

Those idiot rappers and sportsmen who are always boasting about their grotesque and underserved wealth are awful too Cat MadCat Mad

 

 

anima9
Member

tl;dr Elancers and oDeskers don't like UpWork so let's not argue anymore.

 

 

With what Jean stated earlier, it's not that we're fed up but rather just a bit...overwhelmed by all these posts asking for changes. It started when members who weren't aware of the forums were asked to visit. They then started their own "dafuq is wrong with UpWork?!" threads. We tried to answer as many as we can (hence why I tripled my posts here in just one month alone) but as the weeks went by, it was all just a chore and no one has time for chores.

 

So kindly understand that we also share your frustrations with the system. It's just that we've done hundreds of threads about it and the most we got from it are generic answers from the community moderators who also have their hands tied. It's an issue on transparency but I digress.

 

The system has too many bugs and things that might as well explode on your face if you're not careful but I do what I can to make the most out of it. Take the messaging system for example. I no longer reply to clients via UpWork but via email instead. I realized I barely need the messaging system at all when it became what it is now.

 

So yeah, it's gonna be one hell of a ride with you guys so I do hope we all get along.

 

P.S. I made a RANT thread at the Coffee Break section so feel free to vent whatever you have but please play nice.