@Alexander F wrote:
Totally agree. There is 0 quality control in Upwork and it is now a zoo.
So you learned English as a second language in school? Congratulations! That now makes you a certified translator.
Oh, you can write "me very good"? Well, welcome to the writing club, you can now apply for any writing jobs.
FInished watching some YouTube videos about drawing lines in Illustrator? Now you can call yourself a graphic designer, start sending in your proposals.
And don't worry if you have no portfolio. Just steal it from someone else. It's cool. You need a portfolio right?
Luckily I'd say people like that tend to get filtered out pretty quickly during the application process. They do probably get through sometimes, which leads to them getting horrifically bad feedback and thus making it nearly impossible to get any other jobs.
Doing a reverse image search or checking text is pretty easy to do, provided that the client knows how to do it.
Chris, the problem with that is that most buyers, unless they have been taken/burned by a FLer, don't know to run checks.
Coupled with that, Upwork, like many similar platforms, gives the impression that all FLers are vetted. We know better ....
I can not agree that clients tend to hire only "TOPS"
I'm on 5err also and can say that buyers hire new freelancers who are "visible" - not hidden by system.
I've got there my very first big orders when my reputation was ZERO.
Now my reputation there is not ZERO with perfect reviews - but I'm invisible for new buyers there - so no new orders.
I responded to your post on the other thread and other users also confirmed proposals are not hidden on Upwork. I'd appreciate if you would refrain from reposting the same statement in order to avoid creating a confusion, especially in case of new users.
In those days back Elance had a very nice statistics page. There were interesting data on many things. Having getting first job on Elance statistics was among them.
So, according to that statistics it was taking about 30 - 40 proposals on avarage until new freelancer will get first job. Based on my experience with Elance that appeared to be true.
However, on Odesk it took me much faster.
BTW. Upwork, why don't you want to have something similar to that here - I mean statistics page on various topics?
Thank you for posting your suggestion in the Community. We shared similar feedback before with our team but don't have any new information we can share with our users yet.
To sum it up: I’m NOT whining or complaining.
We start from zero, I know. It seems that some of you think that I came here to earn easy money with zero skills and experience. No, I’m not.
I don’t lie. I’m a professional and trusted person. What’s on my profile is what I am.
Nothing to say to those who mocked me. I’m not a native speaker of English, but I don’t laugh at others.
Steal a portfolio? No, I won’t. Be sure of that. I have more than 4 years of experience and I own unlimited documents. Maybe you don’t see that on my profile. I’ll load it in the coming few days when I get permission from the owners of the documents.
Proposals? I don’t copy-paste them and I don’t write terrible ones. I write a good proposal for each job.
Yes, you can get hired without a “top-rated” or “rising talent” badge. I get it. What I don’t get is when I proposed for a job (less than 5 proposed) in which the client needs 3 freelancers. The job was closed in a couple of hours and the proposals were still less than 5. I didn’t get hired. The next day, I checked to see who got hired. I look at the profile and portfolio of one of those 3 freelances. I opened a document he had translated and what a shock! Mistakes here and there. The client ignored me because I have no work history and no badges. He hired, instead, someone with badges but with poor quality work. Enough said.
I came here with a degree and 30 years experience in my field. My profile is also true and accurate, and I am a trusted professional. I STILL had to make my bones here.
As for the client hiring an inferior freelancer, the freelancer likely offered to do the job below budget, and the client got what he paid for. I just laugh when I see that happen and congratulate myself on dodging a bullet, because that is NOT the kind of person I want to work for. Now, once the client has learned his lesson, then he is welcome to tuck his tail between his legs and ask me nicely if I will do the job. Then I accept and tell him what it's going to cost him to get it done right.
See, it's a learning curve for BOTH sides!
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