@petra_rwrote:3) ALL the money comes from the client. The client pays the 20% as well, as you will have built it into your rate. The 2.75 is passing on the cost of processing payments (which is charged by banks and payment processors)
Hello, Dear Petra R
Yes so all the money comes from client lets imagine the fees were 80% instead of 20% does that mean the poor client had to pay 80%?
Client pays for his job done and the freelancer pays 20% of earned money for the service client is using as well. so we dont wanna fool ourself its a fact, client is king. Or no the freelancer sites are kings. anyway
Not only freelancer pays for the 20% but also freelancer cant easily ask for extra money to fill the 20%
So I have a suggestion. As you say the client pays for the 20% so change it so it be.
Like change whole process to show it that way.
Like when I place 8$ per hour rate client would see 8$ per hour + the fee he should pay cause he uses your site's service. 8$*20% = 1.6$ so if client should pay 20% he should pay 1.6$ for getting job from freelancer worth 8$ per hour. However you take 2$ for each 8$ instead of 1.6$ and you take it from freelancer. so its not 20% its more!! Yes hear me out.
2/8 *100 = 25% yes based on what you say you take 25% .Why? let me explain.
when client pays he should pay extra 20% for service fee. (i know you would say its not 20% it can be 10% or 5% as well but we would talk about them later, cause what im saying now is not related about the fee its about the way you calculate it). So client pays 120% instead of 100% cause he is using your service and its completly fair. Even if it was like 150% would still be fait cause its like client is free to choose to use your service or another service or what ever. So I was saying the client pays 120$ instead of 100$ job and its fair ok?
Now this is what happens instead of you taking 20$ and freelancer taking 100$, you take 20% out of the 120$ which is 0.2 * 120 = 24$ and freelancer gets 96$
So either you take the money from freelancers not clients or you take 25% instead of 20%
@petra_rwrote:If you buld the fee into your rate / bid / quote you are quids in after the first $ 500 with any client as the fee reduced to half (and again to 5% after $ 10.000)
Countless people have all or most of their income at 10% - and many at 5%
Countless? come on we only have ~7,616,021,138 people currently live on the earth and as a programmer I know its not the hardest thing to run a query to see how many freelancers are using 10% and 5%
and you say most of their income and 10% what does that mean? I mean as a programmer and a a reasonable person, sorry but that does not make much sense.
So you have lots of FAQ and Q&A in your site which is good and usefull why you dont do these simple or medium queries to see how many freelancers reach to 10% and 5% and how much of their income come from the 10% and 5% ones.
And so so far you can do give us a number like: "did you know as an average freelancers pay xx% fee for getting jobs from clients to us?" and fill xx% which the value which i personally think it would be something between 15%-20% which is more close to 20% ( cause as Anirudh K said: Hi Goran V. You said that the fee gets reduced to 10% after earning $500. But that $500 is with a single client. And that happens rarely.)
And let me clearify this im not saying upwork or other similar sites are bad. Just saying we need to be aware what we are using. Also the ability to choose so we choose best over good or at least choose bad over worst.
Please let me know how much I am wrong. Is amount of me being wrong countless?
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