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the-right-writer
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To all freelancers looking for help

I have always had freelancers come to me for help. In the last year, the river has swelled into an enormous ocean.

 

You don't need me; Upwork provides an enormous amount of information that few ever use. If, after you have gone through all the information I provide, you still have questions, that is when you ask additional questions in the forum.

 

If you think you will make big bucks right away, you are mistaken. The majority of freelancers never land a job because they have no skills and aren't interested in educating themselves. Others believe online freelancing is a path to full-time employment. It can be, but highly unlikely on this platform.

 

Freelancing is not for everyone. It means you are self-employed and must adhere to all regulations and laws governing responsibilities, such as paying taxes. Freelancing means you are on your own. No one has your back, including Upwork. If you don't follow the rules, no one will or can help you.

 

If you are willing to work hard, follow the rules and prepared to spend a lot of connects and proposals, you can be successful, as many are on Upwork. While so many fail, it is almost always due to lack of skills and treating freelancing like employment  where the employer will make sure you do the job correctly.

 

If you want to succeed, start with the Terms of Service, then read this from Wes.

 

Then go here. Then here.  Next, check this site regularly for events such as webinars and other learning opportunities.

After that, go here for safety information, and then here. If you still need help, after you have gone through all the previous steps, you can find additional help here. This thread is dedicated to new freelancers. And here are announcements from Upwork that can help keep you up to date.

 

It will take some time to go through all the information. I'm not suggesting people should not post in the forum, I am suggesting before you ask questions and want help, you need to help yourself first.

 

 

From Prashant P: "And have relevant profile picture of your face.  Not some desks, or Mickey mouse, or full face covering." 

From Susan S: "And patience! Have patience! It takes a while to get started, even after going through all the information available."

From Martina P:  "Only one thing you forgot, namely telling people to use all 15 skills."

And with advice from Maria T, I will say, 

Refrain from personal messages, please read all the links I have added.

 

 

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25005175
Community Member

Now, how to keep this from getting buried. Daily comments?

I may need to repeat myself hourly as I have more people who saw the post and decided I am so knowledgeable, they want me to help them individually.

๐Ÿ˜ฒHow bad is the DM flood?

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DM flood ? 

Direct messaging, where you contact other freelancers.


Jeanne H wrote:

I may need to repeat myself hourly as I have more people who saw the post and decided I am so knowledgeable, they want me to help them individually.


They must have missed the part where you said, "You don't need me."


Christine A wrote:

Jeanne H wrote:

I may need to repeat myself hourly as I have more people who saw the post and decided I am so knowledgeable, they want me to help them individually.


They must have missed the part where you said, "You don't need me."


Confusing, isn't it, when this is a community where people are supposed to ask questions? There may have been a better way to handle this. JMO.

 

I suggested on this thread that the OP start a blog. It would solve her feeling of frustration, would get the word out there to a huge audience, and she wouldn't be "required" to answer anybody, although I don't think she's required now.

 

And people who want a sense of community plus want to ask questions and get answers, can keep going on a community that welcomes questions and answers. ๐Ÿ™‚ Easy-peasy.


Melanie H wrote:

I suggested on this thread that the OP start a blog. It would solve her feeling of frustration, would get the word out there to a huge audience, and she wouldn't be "required" to answer anybody, although I don't think she's required now.


No, a blog would not solve her feeling of frustration. And the people who go to blogs for the information she referenced are not the people here in this forum asking the same uber-basic questions over and over. So those users would not find the blog helpful.

 

Jeanne knows that she is not required to answer anybody. She wants to help and be part of the community, and, like any good, helpful person, becomes frustrated by all of the bad advice and feels the urge to correct the misapprehensions and mal-advice. The problem is, there is so much to correct - all the time! - that she gets burnt out. And while it may be easy to not enter the forum, it is not so easy to ignore the direct messages through the Community platform (and especially the ones that DM her through Upwork).

 


Melanie H wrote:

And people who want a sense of community plus want to ask questions and get answers, can keep going on a community that welcomes questions and answers. ๐Ÿ™‚ Easy-peasy.


Alas, communities that have a flood of newcomers with no knowledge are susceptible to lots of opinions "answers". I don't know about you, but I don't know anybody who doesn't dabble in conspiracy theories who wants their community to be awash in false information and ignorance.


Jonathan L wrote:

Melanie H wrote:

I suggested on this thread that the OP start a blog. It would solve her feeling of frustration, would get the word out there to a huge audience, and she wouldn't be "required" to answer anybody, although I don't think she's required now.


No, a blog would not solve her feeling of frustration. And the people who go to blogs for the information she referenced are not the people here in this forum asking the same uber-basic questions over and over. So those users would not find the blog helpful.

 

Jeanne knows that she is not required to answer anybody. She wants to help and be part of the community, and, like any good, helpful person, becomes frustrated by all of the bad advice and feels the urge to correct the misapprehensions and mal-advice. The problem is, there is so much to correct - all the time! - that she gets burnt out. And while it may be easy to not enter the forum, it is not so easy to ignore the direct messages through the Community platform (and especially the ones that DM her through Upwork).

 


Melanie H wrote:

And people who want a sense of community plus want to ask questions and get answers, can keep going on a community that welcomes questions and answers. ๐Ÿ™‚ Easy-peasy.


Alas, communities that have a flood of newcomers with no knowledge are susceptible to lots of opinions "answers". I don't know about you, but I don't know anybody who doesn't dabble in conspiracy theories who wants their community to be awash in false information and ignorance.


Okay. ๐Ÿคท Then sadly, you and she and anyone else who chooses to will continue to be frustrated. Sorry about that. 

 

Please know that I, too, am here to help. When something gets this frustrating I take a breather. ๐Ÿ™‚ I did not intend to derail the thread from its original intent; I was pointing out why eventually the giant "helpful" threads are given up on by the questioner, hence what seem to be repeats as posts over and over again on the forum.  

 

My post was for the OP, who can take my advice or not. You might step back and allow her her own input. Hope this helps.

 

 


Melanie H wrote:

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Please know that I, too, am here to help. When something gets this frustrating I take a breather. ๐Ÿ™‚ I did not intend to derail the thread from its original intent; I was pointing out why eventually the giant "helpful" threads are given up on by the questioner, hence what seem to be repeats as posts over and over again on the forum.  

 

My post was for the OP, who can take my advice or not. You might step back and allow her her own input. Hope this helps.

 

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But you have not only tried to derail it,  you have also tried to devalue it.  I don't think the OP needs any advice and she has given plenty of sensible "input". 

 

If your post was only intended for the OP, then you could have sent her a private message. The forums are public and anybody can comment. 

 

 

 

The thing is, there are new freelancers posting, "How do I get a job on Upwork?" and "How do I get started?" and other generic questions, every 5 minutes. So, it's entirely appropriate to direct them to links where they can learn the basics. If you're embarking on a freelancing career, it's important to understand that the responsibility for success depends on you; it's your responsibility to figure things out, and not other people's responsibility to spoon-feed you the most basic information. If anyone has a specific question, on the other hand, the forum is  a great place to ask.

5a337b95
Community Member

Thank you so much for sharing these important links, I'm new here and felt lost, but I will keep looking and stay up-to-date

I wish one of the admins pin that post because it's really helpful for new freelancers:) 

miriam-ocampo
Community Member

This is the most coherent publication I have seen in a long time... unfortunately you're still going to get a ton of messages asking for help...๐Ÿ˜‚ 

sparkesusan
Community Member

And patience! Have patience! It takes a while to get started, even after going through all the information available.

 

bobafett999
Community Member

And have relevant profile picture of you face.  Not some desks, or Mickey mouse, or full face covering.  

Or your cat or iguana.

411a8ed8
Community Member

Ok

virtualbrix
Community Member

Great Post!

margifted33
Community Member

Hi, after some time away from upwork after the pandemic, due to my full-time employment, I have wholeheartedly decided to get my upwork freelancing career back on track. I have updated my profile including my profile catelog, overview, as well as added recent portfolio projects.

Although I've begun applying for new jobs, it would be great to maybe get a referral to any copywriting or content writing jobs, probably one you're too occupied to execute. 

I do not know what you mean by a job referral. All you need to do is go through the job feed.

 

The only time I recommend another freelancer for a project is when I personally know them very well as far as skills. And even then, the freelancer is on their own to apply.

"The only time I recommend another freelancer for a project is when I personally know them very well as far as skills."

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That is precisely what I said to the requests made to me from strangers asking me to recommend them once Upwork implemented referrals...

3e4df3cc
Community Member

hello my name is imran i am anew freelancer please chek my potforio and give feed back

You need to write your overview in your own words and create your own portfolio pieces, or you won't get hired by anyone. I suggest taking some design courses and then returning to Upwork when you're ready.

Hello ma'am

Good day I'm new to upwork and freelance in general, but i have been working as a graphic designer for 2 years now and still learning as well, ma pls could take a look at my profile and give me some feedback it will really really help me a lot.

Thanks 

williamtcooper
Community Member

Hey Jeanne, good reminders for everyone!

Thanks! Why don't you use all 15 skills, yet tell everyone to do it?

aa6d8545
Community Member

Hey,

It's great to see these important links, I'm new here and felt lost, but I'll keep looking and stay informed

One of the admins should pin that post because it's very helpful for new freelancers.

martina_plaschka
Community Member

Excellent post, Jeanne H! Only one thing you forgot, namely telling people to use all 15 skills. Thanks!

This flew over my head. Which 15 skills are we talking about?

Add Skills. They are located just below your portfolio section. They look like this (taken from my profile):

25005175_0-1672912533232.png

 

Jonathan, I noticed you only used 14. Please add one. Thank you. 

Yeah, that's because I struggle to find a 15th that is a skill that I actually want to advertise. I definitely have other skills, but they are either wholly unrelated to my main services or are a service that I don't want to provide.

Jonathan, I believe your leg has been successfully pulled.

Should I go for the other one too?

Martina, I've been seeing the "15 skills" talks lately and I'm actually wondering...

 

Do I need to reduce my skills to, let's say, only 3 skills that I think has the most probability of getting matched?  Thanks!

Interjecting, if I may:
I choose skills based on the likelihood of their attracting my target clientele. I may have as many as a dozen. I resist Upwork's repeated blandishments to add more; their suggestions are typically either for skills below outside my target market, or verifiable spam magnets. I would suggest our skills, whatever their number, should exclusively reflect the peak value we can offer our target clients.

Thanks Douglas,

 

I thought including 15 skills will simply maximize the probability of being matched, but I'm now thinking the algo is not that simple.

Upwork keeps telling us it is crucial to have 15 skills, but I, too, wonder if that messes with the program. I may drop some of my skills and see if I detect any changes.

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