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Tough competition

kristenbrady
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Kristen B Member Since: May 20, 2009
1 of 31
It's getting harder and harder for me to get a job on here. How am I supposed to compete with a freelance who charges 30 cents an hour for work? Freelancer like that are killing it for the rest of us. Ridiculous
andre090904
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André U Member Since: Dec 5, 2013
2 of 31
Hi Kristen I agree that it can be very frustrating to see that other freelancers get paid next to nothing. Would you mind telling us the nationality and qualification of your competitor? In this regard, he might beat you on the price-level, but probably not on the qualification/skill level. Why would a skilled freelancer offer his skills at 0.30$/h if he could earn much more than that? ;) I can only speak on behalf of translators. I'm a English-German translator. Sometimes I see a Bosnian freelancer whose rate is 1.11$/h. Why would a Bosnian translate into German? And even if he is skilled, he would never do it for such a low payment, right? Clients are not dumb, Kristen. Some might be attracted by the low price, but they'll quickly find out that quality has its price, too.
kristenbrady
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Kristen B Member Since: May 20, 2009
3 of 31
You haven't been on odesk long enough, my friend. I've been here since 2009, and I've seen a slow decline of wages by very qualified people. They have to compete on a global scale instead of a local scale, and when you have that kind of competition the bid usually, not always, goes to the cheapest bidder. I see that you just started here in Dec. and charge $15/hr for services. Get back to me a year from now and let's see if you still feel this way and are bringing in a steady flow of work for $15.hr.
coffman-robin
Active Member
Robin C Member Since: Jan 10, 2012
4 of 31
How can you talk so harshly or question what others charge when you yourself are undercutting so many? $11.11 for a US writer? One with 7 yrs. oDesk experience. And what is with lowering your rate from $16 something? I understand what you are saying about competition; it just seems like you have a "do as I say, not as I do" view on the issue. EDIT: I mean, to be frank, you are the guy charging $.30/h in my perspective, so...
kristenbrady
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Kristen B Member Since: May 20, 2009
5 of 31
I had no choice but to lower my rate. It was either that, or go without work. You'd be shocked to see what my rate is now. It's not on my profile. I've had no choice but to lower my rates. It wasn't fun
coffman-robin
Active Member
Robin C Member Since: Jan 10, 2012
6 of 31
If you truly believe that this person who charges $.30/hr is your competition, maybe what you are experiencing is the market setting your value at what it is worth. Looking at your work history, it looks like you pushed up and the market pushed you down. Understandably, that would be irritating. You appear to be judging who your competition is based on rate. It seems more profitable to compete on skill and other criteria and not on rate.
kugrin
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Krisztina U Member Since: Aug 7, 2009
7 of 31
[quote=Robin C.]It seems more profitable to compete on skill and other criteria and not on rate.[/quote] I completely agree. I more than doubled and almost tripled my rate over the past 3 yrs, and am on track to double it again over the next two years. I compete on quality not rates though and I focus on growing existing clients rather than chasing new ones. If you see the rates in your space decreasing, specialize on something. This limits the available opportunities considerably but typically allows you work on projects long-term and on much better terms.
zoomconcepts
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Bojana D Member Since: May 2, 2011
8 of 31
To add to everything that's already been mentioned: yes, the competition is tough, but if you find your niche and know how to market your skills, it won't push you that far down. Have you considered changing something in the process you deal with new jobs/clients? It seems like you're working with some pretty busy clients, so busy that they couldn't leave you feedback... You have quite the work history, and it's only expected that some of those clients won't bother to leave rating, but I don't think I've ever seen so many 'no feedback given' in any profile I've visited here. Whethere we like it or not, it matters in the hiring decision, and it could be one of the factors that deter clients looking for experienced writers from giving more attention to your applications. That, plus the fact that you're willing to lower the rate even further (as you implied) - it gives the overall impression that you consider price to be one of your main competitive strenghts and you're not confident enough in the valu of your deliverables. Top-dollar payers (here and IRL) are looking for someone condfident that they're worth the top-dollar rate they charge. Just something to think about. p.s. if you want to market yourself as a writer, specialise in a writing niche, don't dilute your profile with skills that your target client isn't looking for (logo design)
anne_ginger
Community Guru
Dianne M Member Since: Jul 25, 2013
9 of 31
Hi Kristen, I'm based in the Philippines and I charge clients according to my skill. Meaning, depending on the complexity of the job, I charge $16.67-$33.3/hr. My base rate is for the simplest (like a bit of rewriting or just giving my opinion on something) and $33.3 is if I am using my medical background. The rate goes higher if something is really complex, one time I charged a client $50/hr and he still hired me (he was consulting me about something). There is no need to decrease your rate. I still have a lot of jobs even with those rates. In fact, even though I complain about bad clients here, I'm actually getting more clients now than last year. Clients are not that dumb you know. Who cares if some clients go for the cheapest rates? They are not the ones you'd want to be dealing with anyway. Whenever a client says "oh I see you are from the Philippines, why do you charge more than US freelancers?" I tell them to compare my past jobs and experience with those freelancers who charge less. I usually get hired within the day 🙂


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anne_ginger
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Dianne M Member Since: Jul 25, 2013
10 of 31
Btw I think you've been a bit rude with Andre. The way I see it, freelancers who are experienced and yet charge only a certain amount is no better than the freelancers who charge $0.30/hr just so they can get a job. Just by looking at his jobs list in the very short time spent here, Andre is more business savvy than you are imo. Experienced freelancers who devalue themselves by decreasing their rates to a non-competitive level are a bigger part of the problem than newbies who ask for a dollar an hour. If clients know that they can get someone who is well-experienced at newbie rate, the whole market suffers. There is no real competition anymore, just a worse race than the rat race, sort of being auctioned like cattle in reverse.


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