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What's wrong with the quality of jobs on this platform?

tlsanders
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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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@Wendy C wrote:

 

 

For all my translator / writer pals - I do agree you might be getting short changed simply because buyers don't have am adequate - let alone comprehensive - understanding of the real value you bring to the table.

 

Anyone who argues doesn't know what the heck they are talking about ..... 

 

 


 I almost agree with this, but rather than "may be getting short changed" would say something like "may need to identify a better class of buyers". There's no question that there are many, many prospective buyers who undervalue these services. But, they're the wrong market.

wendy_writes
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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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@ Valeria, I was referring to the invites where the buyer has clicked up U.'s offer to use a 'recommended list' v. a buyer actually looking at skill sets and portfolios -

walkerrowe
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Walker R Member Since: Sep 30, 2015
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To add an update today  to the original topic here "Are the quality of jobs in the writing category reducing?".  Yesterday I wrote that on a typical day when I do a job search in this down-market I only find 1 job worth bidding on.  I did that search to day and true-to-form I found only 1 job worth bidding on today.  That's a big drop off from a few months back. Why?

 

When generalist writers here say that quality of jobs are falling off they are saying that billing rates for copyrighting jobs are down.  When, as a specialist writer, I say the same thing that "quality is going down" I am saying that for highly-technical writing there are simply fewer number of jobs.

 

I am writing in IT.  People doing engineering writing here might have the same observation.

 

So there are distinct markets within each distinct market here. For example, PR, academic, proposals, ... within writing.  I should be airing all this in another thread as the discussion here seems to be from writers who are not working any particular specialty.  I was hoping to hear some noise/complaints/feedback from people in the same boat as me.

 

Walker

 

 

 

 

lysis10
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Jennifer M Member Since: May 17, 2015
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Satisfied customers don't make "noise." I'm IT and software engineering and I'm happy. I only find a few gigs to bid on too each week, but with repeat business, invites and a rate that makes me comfy without needing tons of contracts each week, I'm satisfied.

 

I would still suggest having other forms of income, but I only use those as backup as Upwork is basically keeping me comfortable. Right now my other source is just paying my PayPal credit when I go on a shopping spree. wheeeee

trothaar
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Teresa R Member Since: Feb 6, 2012
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Walker -- I am in the same boat as you, as I've been focusing nearly exclusively on cyber security for about the past six months. When I say that there is very little demand for copywriting other than on the lowest levels, I'm not just talking in general but also within my niche.

 

In my experience, most tech companies don't put much value into writers. They see copywriting as unskilled work to be done by the receptionist or a low-wage ESL writer located in a developing country. Programmers are the people they see as being valuable. Notice I said "most." Obviously, the clients I have don't feel that way, but I don't have enough of them to earn a living. It is part-time income at best.

lysis10
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Jennifer M Member Since: May 17, 2015
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@Teresa R wrote:

Walker -- I am in the same boat as you, as I've been focusing nearly exclusively on cyber security for about the past six months. When I say that there is very little demand for copywriting other than on the lowest levels, I'm not just talking in general but also within my niche.

 

In my experience, most tech companies don't put much value into writers. They see copywriting as unskilled work to be done by the receptionist or a low-wage ESL writer located in a developing country. Programmers are the people they see as being valuable. Notice I said "most." Obviously, the clients I have don't feel that way, but I don't have enough of them to earn a living. It is part-time income at best.


oh ur my competitor. I'm probably beating u 2. 

walkerrowe
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Walker R Member Since: Sep 30, 2015
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@Teresa,

 

Thanks for the comment.  I am in an odd situation, perhaps you too, I think as I worked as a programmer for 30 years before I started writing freelance full time 4 years ago.  So I look for those situations where the tech company does need someone who can learn the program that they are writing about.  For example I have one client now where I am configuring their log processing tool and then writing about that.  So I spend a large part of the day trying to make the software work and writing code.

 

I also worked for 12 years in cybersecurity.  People, other than yourself, who have no knowledge in this field are now bidding on that kind of work against me.  I know the details of shell code, network penetration, C++, etc.  So I have backed away from cybersecurity a little as those jobs have more proposals than the others.  Most tech jobs I bid on only have about 5 proposals, presumably because only people who understand the material are bidding on that. (Maybe not.)

 

I really find it difficult to understand how people without a technical background can write for some of these companies.  I have and have had several clients where my blog posts are accurate and easy to read and interesting.  And the client fills out rest of their writing team with people whose work is hardly readable.  What I mean is the people obviously do not understand what they are writing about.  So they rewrite other material that they find.

 

When I have time I can spend several days just to earn a small about of money actually trying to install or code what I am writing about.  That interests me plus it goes my skills.  Those other writers obviously do not have enough IT background to do that.

 

As for being in a developing country, I am.  I am an American living in Chile.  My target is to make just $2,000 per month.  Anything above that is just gravy.  It only costs me $1,300 per month to live here.  Of course I spend a lot more on trips etc.  So I a trying to boost my income to $4,000.  That's still just a fraction of what I made in the USA.

 

I am also waiting for LinkedIn Profinder too to get off the ground.  They charge no comission and are vetting freelancers by hand and even reaching out to freelancers manually and sending work their way.

 

ciao.

 

Walker

lysis10
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Jennifer M Member Since: May 17, 2015
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To know the 1337 h4x0r is to play with the 1337 h4x0r.

tlsanders
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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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@walker R wrote:

 

When generalist writers here say that quality of jobs are falling off they are saying that billing rates for copyrighting jobs are down.  When, as a specialist writer, I say the same thing that "quality is going down" I am saying that for highly-technical writing there are simply fewer number of jobs.

 

Walker

 

 


 Walker, I noted the same drop-off in legal jobs earlier in the summer, and it lasted somewhere in the neighborhood of eight weeks, but they are back in full swing now.

lysis10
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Jennifer M Member Since: May 17, 2015
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Summers have always been terrible for writing. You'd think people would be able to pick up on the pattern after several years but nope.

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