Sep 25, 2018 09:31:17 AM by Lou B
Being a freelancer on Upwork is a privilege, but it isn't always roses and rainbows.
As independent contractors, we freelancers must evaluate our clients, vetting them for potential success, just as they evaluate us.
A contract is a mutual agreement to perform work in exchange for remuneration, and there are a few unscrupulous clients who, either through ignorance or malice, can make for a devastating experience for the hungry freelancer.
Recently, I received an offer from a client without having had any initial conversation. She skipped over the invitation part and went straight to offer, claiming that she was impressed by my profile, and she liked my direct, no-nonsense approach.
Frankly, I had been burned a time or two by "bad" clients (mostly through inexperience on their part), and had rewritten my profile to be less Pollyanna-esque and more blunt. In my profile, I quote my rates for editing, writing, and proofreading, and I invite those clients who are contemplating me but hesitant on my prices to go ahead and craft an invitation for me, so that we can at least chat.
This retooling of my profile summary has been invaluable in weeding out most of the "bad" clients.
So my client asked for a 450 word article, offering $45. She reached out to me late at night, 9 PM MST, with the initial offer of a $20 milestone, the remaining $25 upon completion, and a short note stating that she was impressed with my forthright profile summary, would I jump on the work, since it was due almost immediately? I was at a play in downtown Denver, but I told her I would work on it the next morning, promising to make her deadline. Her enthusiasm overshadowed my initial hesitation at her splitting a short job into unneeded milestones.
And I did. I sent her a first draft, which became a third draft, and then a fifth draft. The deadline evaporated and I worked until very late in the evening the next day, texting her through the Upwork interface and sending draft after draft of revisions that never *quite* seemed to be adequate enough.
There is a bar of quality that is imposed by Upwork, it's called "Top-Rated" and it is a badge of honor for those freelancers who are able to maintain a 90% or better client rating. Our ratings are the summation of individual scores among six categories of specific behavior during the contract. Any client can (and will) leave less than perfect feedback for reasons ranging from inferior quality or communication to, as one client mentioned to me, "I don't believe that a 5 star feedback is possible for anybody. It looks too good to be true."
One client leaving you a four-star overall rating drops your Top-Rated score drastically because a four-star rating is equivalent to an 80% rating, which hammers a Top-Rated freelancer too hard, percentage-wise.
My client with the moving deadline and the inability to convey what she wanted eventually said "Go to bed, it's late your time. I'll get the work finished myself. You've gotten me close enough."
That was close to midnight, the day after the initial offer, and I went to bed worried, knowing that my score was going to take a beating from a combination of a client who was incapable of conveying what she wanted and my inability to hit the mark.
The next day, she shared with me the 450 word article she'd crafted, and fully half of the article was new information, things she'd never mentioned. I pointed that out, and she admitted that, in order to truly write the article well, one needed to have the background knowledge that only she had.
Which left me staring at a contract I'd put hours and hours into, a contract worth only $45 in its entirety, and an initial milestone of $20. Then, to cap all this off, she went dark for four days.
At the end of the four days, she asked me what a "fair price" would be for the contract, since she had to do the work herself? I explained, tersely, that she should pay me the entire $45 because of her inability to communicate what she wanted, and that I had bent over backward to send her multiple revisions, over and over again, to satisfy a contract that should have taken no more than twenty minutes or so. I had demonstrated my willingness to put in extra hours, multiple revisions, and a dedication to the quality that was so very elusive.
She felt slighted by my response and let nine days go by before she reluctantly approved the $20 initial milestone. And not a penny more.
Needless to say, my feedback for her as a client was very low. Her feedback for my work was less than five-stars, pointing out that she had to "step in due to time constraints" and finish the work, and that she was additionally upset about my responses to her when she tried to negotiate a fair price.
This hammered my Top-Rated score down to 93%, and taught me a valuable lesson: it's okay to REFUSE a client's Upwork offer if they are a bad client.
If you are a freelancer struggling to maintain a Top-Rated status on Upwork, be wary of the following client traits:
Remember that, as a freelancer, you are in charge of your own income. We don't grant long interviews on Upwork because your profile summary and your cumulative rating should give them enough feedback to hire you before you have that long conversation. Don't let a greedy client talk you down in your rate, either. They want the best quality for the least price, and you want the best price you can get, at the quality you can provide.
Don't feel bad about turning down a client's Upwork offer, because there are plenty of legitimate, professional clients who will pay you exactly what you are worth, hire you almost immediately after you've sent a fair proposal, and will pay you on time. If you do a good job, they will leave you five-star feedback.
Remember that YOU are the gatekeeper to your precious time, and guard that time carefully. We have only a finite number of heartbeats in this lifetime, and there is no reason to let bad clients ruin our lives.
Just walk away from bad clients.
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Nov 20, 2020 11:13:14 AM by Carlos L
It's right to decline when you're a designer and the client invite asks for a buiness plan, it's right to decline when client wants to pay $15 for 6k words translation, it's right to decline when client has a percentage of paying $4 hourly, it's right to decline if client is interviewing 35 people, usaully bothering, violating Upwork tos, promoting an out site platform, Its' right to declien if client don't use correct spelling, a true sign of of a desconsiderate people reganding another people sight.
Sep 25, 2018 09:57:59 AM by Martina P
Did you get the full amount of $45 in the end, because I can only see the $20 on the job you describe?
You have made many valid points. I think everyone develops a certain set of criteria on what to stay away from. I sometimes save job postings that I don't apply to, just to see what happens to them. Invariably, the "need urgent translation deadline tomorrow" jobs stay there, without hire, for weeks, deadline come and gone...
Sep 25, 2018 10:15:23 AM by Petra R
Lou B wrote: When is it Okay to REFUSE a client's Upwork Offer?
Any time you like, the second you get "a vibe" that the client or the job might be a or turn into a PITA.
I turn down the vast majority of invites. I firmly believe that one of the most important skills on Upwork is client management, and that starts before agreeing to a contract to long after it has ended and includes managing who not to work with.
I'd rather have less clients I can have long term relationships with.
Sep 25, 2018 11:02:01 AM by Baris A
When he asked me if I could do the job for $10 instead of $50, I should have run like hell instead of proposing to meet in the middle
When I realized he didn’t have the faintest idea about what the end result should look like, it was already late and we had a contract.
When I explained to him the way all the industry does what he wants to do, as expected, he insisted that I do it wrong.
And when I did what he wanted, he insulted me saying I was lazy last time and tried to sell him something I made the easy way.
After that I refunded the $30, blocked him from further communication and deleted his last message advising me not to waste people’s time again saying I can do something that I can’t.
This whole experience caused me a couple days I could spend doing anything else with more enjoyment and my “remove private feedback from my JSS” perk. That was 2.5 months ago. Since I finished more than 10 contracts in that time I’ll be ready for another of these in 15 days.
Moral of the story, it happens to all of us.
PS:I couldn't leave any feedback and he still has 4.7 stars.
Sep 27, 2018 04:06:11 AM by Isabelle Anne A
@Petra R wrote:
Lou B wrote: When is it Okay to REFUSE a client's Upwork Offer?
Any time you like, the second you get "a vibe" that the client or the job might be a or turn into a PITA.
I turn down the vast majority of invites. I firmly believe that one of the most important skills on Upwork is client management, and that starts before agreeing to a contract to long after it has ended and includes managing who not to work with.
I'd rather have less clients I can have long term relationships with.
Exactly, despite the shortage of work, I continually turn down so many invites and direct offers because the stress of working with a nut -- and consequent effect on your profile -- is just not worth the (little bit of) extra money.
It's gotten to the point where just the smallest doubt or odd behavior on their part is enough for me to make an excuse to decline their job.
Dec 17, 2020 08:16:01 AM by Lou B
Hi Martina!
No, all I got from her was $20, $16 after Upwork fees, and a bad review.
That experience taught me a valuable lesson, summarized in my post.
Thanks for the great question!
Lou
Nov 20, 2020 10:38:36 AM by Mary I
I had two clients that dont want to work through up work. How do i report them? I dont think it is fair if i am willing to take a pay cut from upwork , but the client is unwilling to go though upwork to help me get exposure.
Nov 20, 2020 11:13:14 AM by Carlos L
It's right to decline when you're a designer and the client invite asks for a buiness plan, it's right to decline when client wants to pay $15 for 6k words translation, it's right to decline when client has a percentage of paying $4 hourly, it's right to decline if client is interviewing 35 people, usaully bothering, violating Upwork tos, promoting an out site platform, Its' right to declien if client don't use correct spelling, a true sign of of a desconsiderate people reganding another people sight.
Nov 20, 2020 11:45:24 AM by Abinadab A
Carlos L wrote:It's right to decline when you're a designer and the client invite asks for a buiness plan, it's right to decline when client wants to pay $15 for 6k words translation, it's right to decline when client has a percentage of paying $4 hourly, it's right to decline if client is interviewing 35 people, usaully bothering, violating Upwork tos, promoting an out site platform, Its' right to declien if client don't use correct spelling, a true sign of of a desconsiderate people reganding another people sight.
Like you clearly are. Though to be fair, exceptions to writing etiquette and grammar rules may be made when it's forum banter, but for a professional relationship, I expect a client to make every effort to at least spell right, especially if he is native English.
I actually blocked one client for this very reason. The client was native English, and kept deliberately misspelling words in spite of me, like, "I spell however I like cos I know you freaking desperado are going to accept my offer anyway" ;(
Nov 20, 2020 02:08:35 PM by Lou B
Thanks for the reply, Carlos!
And I agree with you in that disrespect from the client toward the freelancer happens MUCH too often.
To have the gall to call you a "desperado" because he "knows you'll take the contract" presupposes a level of desperation that I HOPE you do not possess.
Lou
Nov 20, 2020 11:44:05 AM by Christine A
Mary I wrote:I had two clients that dont want to work through up work. How do i report them? I dont think it is fair if i am willing to take a pay cut from upwork , but the client is unwilling to go though upwork to help me get exposure.
When you're a new freelancer and you're based in the U.S., the clients who insist on taking you off of Upwork are usually scammers. You can report them using the "flag as inappropriate" link on the project page. (If the project is no longer listed, it's because somebody already reported them.)
Nov 21, 2020 02:55:12 AM by Abinadab A
Amanda L wrote:
Amanda L wrote:Your assertion that we don't do long interviews is incorrect. Many of do take clients through an extensive vetting process, much for this reason. I don't work with a client who won't do a video interview with me. I was burned by a client who basically wouldn't speak to me, and my line of work is impossible without client collaboration, so now I make sure all clients I accept will be in communication and active. It sounds like you need to revise and solidify your vetting process and not just accept any offer that comes in.
Amanda L wrote:Whoops, old thread.
Since OP only came around to marking a solution yesterday, it would appear this was a welcome resurrection of an old thread 🙂