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balbs85
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closed. thanks.

 
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iamchunchunchun
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Most likely the client ended the contract since he/she didn't feel that you are a good fit for the job.

 
holymell
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The feedback is double blind, so he wouldn't see yours for him until after he'd left feedback for you... so what sort of feedback did you leave him? Also, he could still have zapped you in the private feedback, which you wouldn't know until your next JSS update (or maybe the update after that).

Edit- thought the client was trying to get free work. Turns out the freelancer may have been trying to get free money. Ignore this post.

What he may be doing sounds shady, but if he didn't outright ask you for good feedback, he's technically done nothing wrong, so it's doubtful that Upwork would do anything about that.
balbs85
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kat303
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@Christian B wrote:

When I said that the same thing happened to me, I was the one who requested to end the contract because they provided misinformation about my working hours during on-boarding. The expecations set was 8 hours full time for my standard daily work hours. However, the client told me and the other new hire after training that we only needed to log into Upwork Time Tracker only when there are tasks to be done. When I requested to end my contract, which took 23 days for them to end it, the client said in an e-mail that he will leave a positive feedback when he ends my contract. I was thinking if he did this to the rest as well just to gather positive ratings to make him look good since he got a few low ratings in the beginning. 


 So that I understand the above statement.... Are you saying that you wanted to be paid for 8 hours a day, whether or not you actually had tasks to do? And you wanted to end the contract because the client wanted to pay you for doing ACTUAL work?

holymell
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Good catch! That's a great point. If OP thought he deserved to be paid for eight hours of work workout doing eight hours of work, that's... something. He would be lucky to get the 3.85 and then his feedback to the client if it were negative, would be unfair.

For some reason, I thought he meant that the client was trying to tell him to only turn on the tracker at the client's whim, expecting him to work off the clock. But you're right, he is mad that the client didn't want to pay for hours in which he didn't work.

The client shouldn't have promised eight hours if he didn't need eight hours, but the contractor hugely overacted. I can't imagine asking to be paid for work I've not done. That takes some cojones.

OP, if that's the case, well, you deserved less than that 3.85. You really can't expect anyone to pay you money for literally no reason. That's not how freelancing works and please ignore my first reply. If Upwork should do anything about either accounts, it should be the account of the freelancer asking for free money.
balbs85
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iamchunchunchun
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Now I see why all of your clients either gave you an imperfect score in communication or stated there were communication issues...

In fairness the job post stresses specifically that it is a full time position of 30 or more hours a week so it is not unreasonable for the hired freelancer to expect that there will be sufficient work to do.

 

I don't think the OP expected to be paid for nothing, but if the client expects people to be available 8 hours but only pay for actual typing time then that's sharp practice at best, too.

 

I've seen a number of job postings like that - where clients say you need to be at your computer available to do whatever task, for set hours, but will only be paid for the time you actively take care of a task. That's not right. If a client wants someone to sit there for X hours then X hours would need to be paid for.

 

holymell
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Petra, that's a good distinction, also.

You're right. If the client is expecting OP to be available all those hours, then the client should be paying for that time.

And he was right to close the contract because the client changed the terms on him if he was uncomfortable with those terms.

I, too, have seen posts that basically equate to "just sit around and wait for the work to come to you", which is horrible.

You're right. That could have been the case also.

kat303
Community Member

Petra - I agree, that may have been the case, but IMO, if it was, then that needs/needed to be specifically indicated in the contract. Something, I'm assuming, like, "contractor needs to be readily availble at computer whether or not they are actually working.- client will pay for X all hours that the contractor is available at X hours a day. And I'm not sure how that would have worked out because those hours not working would have had to be entered in manually and depending on what type of client that was, they could have easily not paid for manually entered hours.

 

And again, IMO, if that is the case, then this job should have been a fixed rate job which would have avoided all of the above problems and it would avoided ll of those problems. All the freelancer had to do was to multiple 8 hours times his hourly rate and enter that as his proposal.

 

Having said that. We might have hit on something here, because not only are all the OP's replies and original posts deleted, but he set his profile to "not public.".

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