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jbampton
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oDesk hiding job applicants - A PUNCH IN THE FACE TO ESTABLISHED CONTRACTORS!

I am both a client and a contractor. Plus I worked as a hiring manager on one team. I have earned over $50,000 on this platform, that is a nice little sum of money that oDesk has got from me. Plus my clients and myself have spent money through this platform. So it would be closer to 60 grand if not more! I used to get plenty of interviews when I applied for jobs. Now I get no interviews. I know for sure that my application is being hidden. This feature is a blatant PUNCH IN THE FACE to established oDesk contractors. This feature does not work as I have posted a few jobs recently and the best, most experienced contractors are hidden. These are the ones who previously were earning the most money for oDesk. They charge decent hourly rates and have done a lot of hours. Now they are hidden just like I am. There are so many things wrong with this platform and most of them have been introduced in the last twelve months. For example how can a contractor who has done one job with one feedback be ranked ahead of me (I have done 261 jobs) in the contractor search results? It's just not logical. I have given up applying on oDesk because its a waste of time now with this hidden feature. Conversely I am having much greater success on Elance where the contractor search results are relevant, where you get rewarded for earning more, and I get a lot of interviews on Elance. Also oDesk pays next to nothing to the majority of its workforce and they hide the payment amount or hourly rate on their contractors profiles because they are EMBARRASSED to show the slave wages that they pay. It's obvious why oDesk has gone downhill recently because they hire inexperienced people for just a few dollars per hour in the majority of cases. GARY SWART TAKE NOTICE - your best and brightest contractors are now leaving the platform!
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[quote=Dale M.]I'm not sure what you mean by hidden - are you saying that even though you apply for a job, the client never sees your application? Your application's been blocked somehow? (This is a problem of sharing a common language.)[/quote] Yes, that's exactly what's going on. Here's a funny experiment another oDesker did, check out the screenshots he made to see how the hidden applications are [not]seen from a client's account. https://www.odesk.com/community/node/32716

A client can unhide the hidden contractors. However, they have to be aware that some of the hidden contractors might be the prefect candidates for the job. I suppose many clients will assume that the oDesk algorithm is working properly and the hidden clients aren't qualified.

The majority of freelancers are probably not aware of the mad robot, and are filling in applications day in day out and wondering why they're not being relied to, because oDesk is certainly in no hurry to make the feature well known.

haha.. don't know why but it seems that the algorithm makes me visible to clients in 2 locations - namely Australia and Utah.. is it merely a coincidence that folks inviting me to their jobs are from these places? I rest my case.. mate.
motiursumon
Member

I am also sufferer. I have completed about 4000 hours on odesk and have good rating but I have no work now because of odesk's new algorithm. I hope odesk will strongly analysis the issue and solve this within very short time...............
marc2377
Member

There's a thread for this with more feedback "internal:node/32333"

We understand that there is concern and frustration with the test being run to help clients identify the best candidates for their jobs. We want to explain how this program works and clear up some of the confusion. Please see our post in the News section. We also want to thank you for your continued feedback. We have been reviewing the specific cases youโ€™ve sited where you feel freelancers have not been ranked appropriately. These cases and others are helping us to iterate and improve the criteria we use for ranking freelancers and helping clients find the best freelancer for their job. If you continue to experience cases where you feel freelancers are not being ranked appropriately, please contact us at match-feedback@odesk.com and include your oDesk username, a description of the problem, and if possible a screenshot of the issue you observe.

Hellow, I'm Pinki Zaman from odesk...My all applications are going to hidden folder without any reason..I've been facing this problem from last 1 month. I can't get proper jobs on odesk for this problem. My income is going low day by day & Its very urgent to get me release from this problem as soon..A few days ago my two clients help me to find out this problem.....I've told odesk customer support but, can't get any solution still now..

I am also facing the same problem....odesk....please do something ๐Ÿ˜ž
forcitcample
Member

with 4.5+ star feedback 1. 4.5+ star feedback's or sometime 5 . 2. no past dispute with client . 3. test cleared . 4. Regular working . 5. Enough feedback's in work history for similar work . Still are in hidden Tab ? How come . You are destroying Most experienced Freelancers over here . So much loss of business and waste of time writing custom letters for each job Irritated and frustrated . Got no option to find other alternative to make lives if this aint gonna removed . Look here http://awesomescreenshot.com/0602c9j7e1 Got 22 Application 18 are Hidden and 4 are visible All best candidates are in Hidden . This is really bad feature . odesk must Roll it back as soon as possible. I also noticed when Job is posted they have added a new page called Top 10 recommenced Freelancer and i have found their profiles to be very new , below 100 hours or no feedback etc . This is big slap to contractors like us who worked so hard to gain feedback's and made odesk client happy and took odesk to this stage .

I also talked with a client and he also said that the best candidates are going inot the HIDDEN folder, so they have to keep oDesk as it was 4 weeks ago.
starrychloe
Member

I believe the reason applications are hidden are because of copy & paste cover letters. If you type out the cover letter and actually answer the questions asked by the client, then I believe it will not be auto-hidden. Most of the auto-hidden responses have a low quality response rate to the questions. I actively go into the full application and click "Thumbs Down - These answers were not helpful" when contractors don't answer my questions and fill them in with junk like 'yes', 'yes', 'yes'. If they get many negative question feedback, then the system auto-hides them. That's my theory. That's how I would have built it.

Hi Chloe, no it doesn't work like that, since I never copy paste my cover letters, I'm writing a new cover letter for each application in which I focus on the job. Still I have been hidden on some job applications. Now, of course, when I'm applying to jobs posted by former clients, I'm not going over all my previous experience, since they already know that and if I did this they would think I'm crazy (telling them who I am, what I did etc when they know it already !) and I think this can be a problem with the algorithm...
iannotti
Member

Ever since Odesk implemented questions and the hide applicants, the amount of garbage apps received is drastically lower. It may not be the perfect system, but its much better than before whereas we would get over 50 spam apps per job posted easily.

Matthew, you seem to have appeared from nowhere today and have all the worldly wisdom of an experienced oDesk hack. Some would think you are just very driven and passionate, others might think you're on a trolling rampage.. Now, in the last couple of weeks I can hand on heart say that in all the many many posts and threads about the new automatic application-hiding mad robot algorithm, there has not been one single user - freelancer or client - who has in any way expressed a positive opinion of the new algorithm/mad robot. Passionate or troll / troll or just passionate?.. I think it's a but obvious really

Chief, We've been on this site for a very, very long time. We never bothered to read the forums for the most part, but decided it was time to help out clients that are getting ripped off by contractors. We like Odesk and we have their best interests at heart. As far as the hiding applications, again, we like it. We don't get 50+ spam applications per job posting anymore. The questions system we like as well. Sure, we can add some phrase at the bottom of the description to see who is even reading the job, but this helps us out. The people complaining are all contractors. Where are the posts from clients saying they dislike this? Obviously Odesk will cater to those with cash in their pockets, that's how business always has been. Whether you think that's right or wrong is not important, that's business. There is nothing trolling about our posts, we know we're right. We have many contacts in other countries, employees and friends and know exactly how contractors think and the reasoning behind it. Sure, a contractor will say we're trolling, it's not like they would agree with us as they wouldn't be protecting their best interests. Lets cut the "BS" about this.

[quote=JD M.]Please add the option to TURN OFF "AutoHidden" No algorithm is perfect, some are error prone and I know of at least one that seems to do the opposite of it's intended use! I am perfectly capable of reading and hidding people on my own. I have found the best candidates to be in the "Auto-Hidden" So far I have hired two time and both where "auto-hidden" Thanks![/quote] [quote=John B.]I just posted a job and the best candidate was hidden! LOL. Their bid price was about what my budget was, they had done almost 2000 hours and had 4.98 overall feedback. Then when I unhide that candidate and sort the list of candidates on "best match" they were at the top of the list!!!! LOL. WTF is the problem with oDesk implementing crazy features that don't work all the time!? This feature just makes my life as a client more difficult![/quote] [quote=A K.]I'd like to inquire as to how does oDesk determine when to autohide an application to a job posting? So far it seems quite arbitrary as I see candidates with great ratings having their applications hidden by the oDesk system.[/quote] [quote=Dianne M.]The system does not work as it should. I posted a job the other day and some of the best freelancers are under the auto hidden part, even one who worked on one of my projects before and is the exact fit/person I am looking for.[/quote] [quote=Damien E.]I agree that "auto-hide" is a silly change. It does not work properly. I listed a new job today and, by chance, checked the hidden applicants after a few hours. Some of the best applicants had been hidden!! What's worse - when I actually unhid and shortlisted one of these freelancers, oDesk then auto-hid that person AGAIN, even though she was shortlisted! Please stop auto hiding people or let us have the option to turn off auto-hide. It is clear from this thread that the system is not working.[/quote] [quote=Heather H.]I doubt it will happen. I posted a job looking for US natives only with no other criteria. So funny that 16 US based natives were auto hidden but 12 that dont live in the US were shown as hiring options. Needless to say, I hired 3 of those "hidden" contractors not only because they fit the time zone I needed, but also because of their long histories, great existing feedback, and well rounded profiles. . I am also now telling people when their applications are hidden by odesk[/quote] [quote=Jennifer S.]Yes, as a client, I saw several applications like that. I literally could not understand why some applications were hidden. Yet, applications that were visible didn't have the skill I desired. In order for this feature to change, the clients will need to complain about it. Contractors can complain all day long. The change was made at the request of the client. Hate to say it, but Clients trump Contractor on this platform.[/quote]

Whoaaaa! 6 people out of thousands said something, Yep Odesk surely is getting right on this to change it because of those 6, even if those are real feedback and not some smoes making false odesk accounts. Yes, I can totally see that stunt being pulled with the winners on here. Is it a perfect system? No, there is no perfect system. Does it work for the most part? I say yes, far from perfect but does the job.

You surely have noticed, in the extremely long period you keep us entertained, that there are many people just "popping up" to complain about this horrible idea of hiding applicants. There is a dozen of similar threads on this issue (which implied already 12 people being against this "feature") and just you defending it. Majority decides and even 6:1 would be a more than clear victory for us "ill-educated folks". :) The forums are, unfortunately, not as popular as your job offers where 50+ greedy people apply to. That's a fact you just cannot deny.

[quote=Andrรฉ Ueckert]The forums are, unfortunately, not as popular as your job offers where 50+ greedy people apply to. [/quote] He wants 50+ HUNGRY people.

Oh, true. Ill-educated, hungry people who adapt themselves to the average salary of their region according to payscale. Hope I got it right this time. :) Thanks! ๐Ÿ˜‰

Why would we want to hire that's not hungry to work? That doesn't have the dedication to a project others clearly do not. You really don't make much sense to be honest.

I'm not intending to be rude, but I couldn't follow your sentence structure. So, let me see if I get it right. You prefer to hire cheap labour force. Sure, so far so good. That sounds logical to me. But still, people decide how much they want to be paid for a job. You just accept it, negotiate it or reject it. You don't have more options and you cannot change it. And how do you know that someone offering his/her services for 30$/h is not as hungry for a job as somebody, for let's say, 10$/h? Higher professional fees do not reflect lazyness to work, greediness or whatever you connote with that. Contrarily, higher payrates do imply professionalism, resoluteness and even reliability as well as credibility. As you may remember, I am a translator. As a client looking for translators, I would certainy trust applicants charing 15-20$/h than those charging 5-10$/h. Why? Because they seem to be hobby-translators seeking their first jobs. I would automatically assume that they provide less accurate translations as there are others charging way more per hour. The higher the price, the better the service (well, we should assume it at least). Of course it is up to you, if you want to hire someone whose professional rate is below average, average or above average. That's competition. But you cannot complain that there are freelancers out there demanding more than others. This reminds me of German supermarkets. There are 5 supermarkets offering my favorite cookies for let's say 1โ‚ฌ and another supermarket charges 1.30โ‚ฌ. So what? Am I complaining about their prices? No, I just get my stuff from the other ones. No need to worry. Competition. If the supermarket can still survive, fine. But it's just not my business.

Hungry for work? . Are you looking for getting your job done or looking for beg you for work and you show your bad attitude to them and give them work ? The point to be noted. 1. New people are always hungry for work even though we don't know they have enough skills or not . We put our money on risk and time a ) Out of 10 time 7 time they fail you , Already have happened to me . They say " I tried enough hard to complete what this bug raised which i am not able to solve because i don't have that much knowledge . b) You waste time and some time money if they dont refund you or bill you hourly . 2. In the other hand, if you hire experienced Freelancer with proven history and similar work you are in Advantage always . So Stop insulting people here, Leave the forum. You are done here. You are not from heaven, we people hear you.

There's a reason why we are clients, and you're a contractor. The 50+ people are not greedy, there using an automated bot to post or just copy/pasting.

I am Client myself with history of 10 K $ spent on Odesk . We as a client hire freelancers to get our job done . What kind of job ? 1. The work our client have given us We are also freelancer in this Chain 2. We have our own project, which we will promote and sell to outside World, You are still a Seller here 3. Our Ecommerece or Informational Products to sell services or Products , Again you are seller and in services of people who buy from you and pay you . Its all about making money and earning for lives . Either Clients or Freelancers all are Human and working to make their livings . Your attitude looks like you are born with golden Spoon and have enough Money from your Father and never made money in your life and you are in the upper classes than what we Freelancer/clients are?

Wrong, what some people do in your sort of location/business is charge more than they should, and pay local employees in their office from the cut they charge the client here. Is that wrong? Well, not exactly, but why should I pay you more for the milk when I can buy the cow?

Buy Cow than 1. Give Cow a Feed two time a day . 2. Give it a Bath 3. Take care of it and than you produce Milk after a lot of Effort . what you doing here on odesk.com . Buy your cow in your area . you are not more than a I don't have time to argue with you . YOu are client and I am Freelancer , Stay happy and go to sleep , It's probably late there .

[quote=Bharti S.]Buy Cow than 1. Give Cow a Feed two time a day . 2. Give it a Bath 3. Take care of it [/quote] That's not our responsibility. We're hiring an employee, not adopting a child. They are hired to work an assigned task, when done log out and go about their day, spend time with family - whatever.

[quote=matthew i.][quote=Bharti S.]Buy Cow than 1. Give Cow a Feed two time a day . 2. Give it a Bath 3. Take care of it [/quote] That's not our responsibility. We're hiring an employee, not adopting a child. They are hired to work an assigned task, when done log out and go about their day, spend time with family - whatever.[/quote] Well you said you need cow and from it you will produce milk i explained you having cow is not an easy task . MR Price ( Matthew ) Have some Water and go to sleep . You are so argumentative . Note for other Freelancer . I am ending this text here . Because Matthew have so much time to get into argument with all Freelancers over here . Guys don't write to him whatever he writes here . His points are baseless since he is Prince of USA and born with Golden Spoon .

Any update? ๐Ÿ˜ž why odesk is not responding guys????

completely agree with Stephen! ๐Ÿ™‚

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If we have to see someone newbie on Odesk that's Matthew, who does not even have a basic understanding how the system works. This is not about spam applications . Let me tell you 1. I used to write custom letters and when i started knowing that my letters are going in hidden, I started copying, pasting with some editing because i don't want to waste my time where I don't know my effort will be paid off. I am a client myself and I have seen the junk applications and copy/paste have increased because i am getting unrevelent cover letters . 2. I see all people with more than 1000 + billed going into hiding tab, That's not spam huh? is it ? .And all newbies in their best recommended tab with no history or some few feedbacks . Even though they copying, pasting. How does the alogrithtim work for them? 3. You came from nowhere and praising the system. What is actually known about this system huh? Look at raiting the this forum post have . 4. This system is made in mind to advantage newbies . No Experienced freelancers . I know Odesk is licking Elance foot and going sell Odesk to Elance in upcoming months. Since merging stated, we are not having pleasant experiences on Odesk at all. All the system is buggy . 5 . In other words Odesk telling all experienced contractors 1000 + hours billed ," Thank you very much you guys helped us enough to grow and now you can leave platform because we don't need you , one of the support members said we will respect your decision Bharti . I said what the H** ? 6. Who are New to odesk ? People who recently came to know about odesk platform and started their career in real market and are in experienced or less experienced in their skills . So if Odesk gonna recommends those people to clients what you think , will they beat the experienced freelancers' works who are, on the platform for more than 3 years ? Never . I think that's enough to tell you know that you are wrong here . and excuse me for my English . I am not a Writer I am website developer thanks

I know exactly how it works and can probably bet they use an algorithm based on which contractors are being hidden by clients manually. If there not doing this I'll be surprised. If it is, obviously the system improves or learns more based on how clients use it, the more profiles they mark, the more the system learns. In any case, that's hearsay. I find more often than not, contractors that are hidden, is done so for good reason. Is it 100% perfect? Nope. Have I found a decent contractor before while being hidden? Yep, but.. More often than not it does a decent job. Like your profile for example. Regardless of your overall score, look at the bad ratings, quite a few low ones for skill, quality, and even some total job rating of 1's. Personally I'd never hire you, if I had to guess, you're over estimating your skill and rather trying to learn on the job or really have no idea the task your working on. Example: That Mozenda job on your profile, which by the way I'm very familiar with. Why would you bid on this? It was obvious you had no experience for that job and the client rated accordingly, perhaps this has some role in why you may get hidden. You could be an honest, hard working contractor, but bidding on things you have no experience with is a very bad idea. I stated enough on here already contractors over estimate their skill and it not only hurts you, it hurts clients and future clients. You're overall rating is meaningless to some extent, unless it was ratings for which is similar to the job you're applying for. If you have an overall rating of 4.8, but these were all small one time jobs with a few hourly jobs mixed in for building an HTML site, and applied for a long term hourly job using framework entity, .asp framework, and have no ratings reflecting you did these sort of jobs with that skill, you essentially have a ZERO rating in the clients eyes. We don't just look at an overall score and hand a job out, it's not that simple, although I wish it was.

I never asked you to hire me . I have enough clients who are there to give me jobs and have 1000 + Direct Clients . I am CEO of foritcample Agency , Check ** and dont complain again my website look terrible and have bad English . I know you got complaining Attitude . I have 30+ people working for in house and 10 Full time on odesk . So don't compare . I am not egoist as you showing to other Freelacner " That's why you are Freelancer and i am Client " . You are done here . leave now *"Removed by admin"

You're asking why you're profile is hidden and told probably some of the reason why and you get pissed off at the answer. This is exactly why clients have issues working with you. Amazed at the lack of logic some contractors have here. Oh well, now I have you're name and adding it to our blacklist. Wasted 10 minutes of my time trying to HELP you..Unbelievable....

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I am also going into the hidden tab, I don't know why? I have 5 stars feedback and around 600 hours...clients for which i am working are also happy! Still, I can't find the reason...if I am using a custom cover letter and having relevant experience.
amitsarker_1
Member

I think odesk does not care about our problems. Because, I have live chat with theme more than 10 times about job application hide issue. They said they will fix the issue, but didn't. It's really time wasting to make application in oDesk. We love to work with oDesk. But, odesk does not follow us. Please do something, otherwise Best contractors will must leave oDesk.