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57ac72f4
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why proposals require that much of connects?

I think that none will disagree with me as all of us have seen the drastic change of proposal's costs from 4 and 8 connects to 12 and 16 don't you think that this unfair ?

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maceviterbo
Community Member

I think they make it 16 connects as default requirement for a job post ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

the-right-writer
Community Member

Don't include me in your "all."

 

Again, we have "fair." Where do you find "fair" in business? Or in the world?

"Fair" is completely subjective. 

 

No, it is not unfair, it is a part of being an adult in self-employment. If you can't or won't pay for job access, you need to find an employer top pay everything for you.

williamtcooper
Community Member

Abidi,

 

Yes, the number of connects needs to go higher so that clients are not sent too many proposals which can be overwhelming.

marjan22
Community Member

So Upwork can make money fom the freelancers!

They can and have always done so, Upwork is a business.

 

Now, 10 connects for $1.50 is not that much. If you remember Upwork used to charge a 20% fee and this fee has gone down to 10%. The new connect policy is probably a compensation.

2.5$  per job is a lot knowing that you need to apply to 20-30 jobs and end with not beeing hired.

 

There is big diference between taking cut upfront and at the end, because now you can spend hundreds of $ and still not get a job. 

Now the system is Casino like

 

So what ? Just move to another source of money if you don't like this one.

 

Why not join the crowd of people who have made videos for YouTube about becoming rich on Upwork ? They must be getting some money for their lies.

Well, I guess you enjoy being milked.

 

Luce has hard, marketable skills. And she is a real translator.

Iam so happy for her.

Wonderful, we need to recognize great freelancers. I see so few real translators, I think it's important to show the confused what real skills look like.

 

I'm glad you are feeling better and can recognize the surrounding professionals!

Freelancers with good skills are not applying for 20 - 30 jobs without being hired. They are not in a casino. If your ROI is poor, you need to do something about it. Like the promoted Upwork article says, do you want to whine or work? I believe we have numerous posts to tell us.

When you say compensation, it sounds like there's some kind of give and take between Upwork and freelancers. 

 

In a 'for-profit' business they will maximize profit in every single aspect. Reducing the fee is in line with the 'gate-opening' policy. Raising it (for the 5% tier) should've also been carefully thought out. I believe they have their data that indicates the increase in fees would result in more profit overall, compared to the loss from freelancers who take their 5%-fee clients outside. We've seen freelancers with 5%-fee clients 'giving up' on the policy and stating that they'll stay, no matter how 'unbelievable' some people think that action is.

 

Freelancer is an oversupplied element in their equation, they can play and experiment with it. So freelancers should think what actions they should take instead of complaining.

 

 

number of connects needs to go higher so that clients are not sent too many proposals which can be overwhelming.

This was true many years ago and it's no longer the "main purpose" when they intentionally open the gate to have as many "even more freelancers" as possible.

I could be wrong, but I believe the reason they have opened those floodgates is at least in part to build up their stock of unskilled freelancers.

I'm not sure if you're joking or not. 

 

If not, do you mean it's to 'milk their connects'? I completely agree then. Being the biggest freelance marketplace, a combination of two, they can monetize their member base instead of vetting/limiting them.

I absolutely am not. If I am right about the direction I believe Upwork is taking, high-skilled, high-billing freelancers with specialized skills will be of very little use to them. They've already shifted their advertising away from the type of clients who want to work with that type of freelancers, and we're all seeing the results. 

 

Think about the obsessive focus on long-term relationships. It was one of two key points in its most recent quarterly report. 1/3--1/2 of all jobs in every category I have checked are contract to hire. So, think about how that plays out. Upwork brings in a company looking for long-term hires. But, most companies are bottom heavy. Who are they going to want to hire? One marketing director, one social media manager, three developers, and 200 call center workers. Just an example, but I think you can see where I'm going.

I see what you mean by long-term, but who's going to hire unskilled freelancers? to do what? most people don't even speak English...

Only the teeny front end of a job was ever 20%. I think the reason for the across-the-board 10% is that they are working to make the majority of their client-freelancer relationships long term, and they can't afford to have nearly everyone paying 5%--especially when those long-term relationships will mean no more connects, or at least a dramatic decrease.

tlsanders
Community Member

Fair means impartial, without favoritism or discrimination. How could increasing the price for everyone be unfair?

db27137d
Community Member

they want your buy "Freelancer Plus", if ask me upwork will die, height connect requart and Increasing number of low-budget jobs that way platform losing to many freelancer finally upwork does not protect freelancers there are too many scammers on upwork

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