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Can't really make a living if you have alot of skills.

hospemex
Active Member
Francisco B Member Since: Feb 28, 2017
1 of 23

You don't get enough credits to make proposals on every job you are qualified for. I have only been on the site for a few days and have run out of credits. I bought a membership and it only gave 20 or so more credits, but those disappeared in two days.

 

What are you supposed to do for the rest of the month until you get more credits? You definitely need to find something else to do to make money. Maybe the site can help you out with suggestions of what else you can do while waiting for your connects to replenish. This is a terrible schema for a work site.

 

Maybe a level system might work better. Level 1 (1 to 10 billed hours) 60 connects a month. Level 2 (11-30 billed hours) 160 connects a month or something of the like. So at least there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

 

Maybe you can recover connects by cancelling proposals as well.


Also if you plan on bidding on the plentiful 10-15 dollar one time jobs, 60 connects is not enough. 60 connects are plenty if you concentrate mostly on long-term contracts.


To add to the problem. The system allows you send proposals on jobs where there has already been a hire. As a newbie, I blew through half of my connects before I realized that I was sending proposals on jobs that have already been given to someone else. That is a very deceptive practice. If did not know any better, I would think they allow that by design, to kill your connects. You should get your connects back the moment the job is awarded to someone else.


Please fix this problem!!!

aocumen
Moderator
Avery O Moderator Member Since: Nov 23, 2015
2 of 23

Hi Francisco, 

 

Connects are returned only when the job is cancelled either by the client or by Upwork team without hire. You can find more information here.

 

I would like to invite you to read up on this thread on "How do you budget your connects for the month?" to get tips from other freelancers on how they manage their 60 connects, and what are their best practices in submitting proposals to potential clients. 


~ Avery
Upwork
williamshu
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William S Member Since: Feb 7, 2017
3 of 23

@Avery O wrote:

Hi Francisco, 

 

Connects are returned only when the job is cancelled either by the client or by Upwork team without hire. You can find more information here.

 

I would like to invite you to read up on this thread on "How do you budget your connects for the month?" to get tips from other freelancers on how they manage their 60 connects, and what are their best practices in submitting proposals to potential clients. 


 Hi Avery,

 

Can I just check my understanding on something that caught my eye?

 

"Connects are returned only when the job is cancelled either by the client or by Upwork team without hire."

 

Do you mean the Upwork team returns connects if you're not hired for the job or if the job has no hires?  I think the former is probably wishful thinking especially if you don't even get an interview.  This is not a complaint btw before the usual community mob jumps down freelancers / newbies throats.

 

W

 

P.S. I'm kidding about the mob. Smiley Wink 

 

 

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versailles
Community Guru
Rene K Member Since: Jul 10, 2014
4 of 23

@William S wrote:

"Connects are returned only when the job is cancelled either by the client or by Upwork team without hire."

 

Do you mean the Upwork team returns connects if you're not hired for the job or if the job has no hires?

 


William, the above sentence in bold explains the two cases where connects are refunded. How could you come to the conclusion that: "Upwork team returns connects if you're not hired for the job or if the job has no hires" after having read it?

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williamshu
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William S Member Since: Feb 7, 2017
5 of 23

@Rene K wrote:

@William S wrote:

"Connects are returned only when the job is cancelled either by the client or by Upwork team without hire."

 

Do you mean the Upwork team returns connects if you're not hired for the job or if the job has no hires?

 


William, the above sentence in bold explains the two cases where connects are refunded. How could you come to the conclusion that: "Upwork team returns connects if you're not hired for the job or if the job has no hires" after having read it?


 Rene,

Good question, it is because:

1. We're not identical clones so don't think the same,

2. We have different life experiences,

3. We have different education,

3. English is not our first language,

4. I'm not a seasoned freelancer pro so may have a dfferent outlook on things,

5. Upwork community recognises and celebrates diversity,

6. One of us is way too optimistic, or

7. One of us was trying to defuse things

 

 

Could be a number of things.  Could be none of these things. Smiley Happy

 

Feel like cake for some reason.

 

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mtngigi
Community Guru
Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
6 of 23

@Francisco B wrote:

You don't get enough credits to make proposals on every job you are qualified for. I have only been on the site for a few days and have run out of credits. I bought a membership and it only gave 20 or so more credits, but those disappeared in two days.

 

What are you supposed to do for the rest of the month until you get more credits? You definitely need to find something else to do to make money. Maybe the site can help you out with suggestions of what else you can do while waiting for your connects to replenish. This is a terrible schema for a work site.

 

Maybe a level system might work better. Level 1 (1 to 10 billed hours) 60 connects a month. Level 2 (11-30 billed hours) 160 connects a month or something of the like. So at least there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

 

Maybe you can recover connects by cancelling proposals as well.


Also if you plan on bidding on the plentiful 10-15 dollar one time jobs, 60 connects is not enough. 60 connects are plenty if you concentrate mostly on long-term contracts.


To add to the problem. The system allows you send proposals on jobs where there has already been a hire. As a newbie, I blew through half of my connects before I realized that I was sending proposals on jobs that have already been given to someone else. That is a very deceptive practice. If did not know any better, I would think they allow that by design, to kill your connects. You should get your connects back the moment the job is awarded to someone else.


Please fix this problem!!!


You're a freelancer, not an Upwork employee. Upwork does not need to fix any problem, nor hold our hands and tell us what to do to fill our idle time.

 

As Avery suggests, read everything and understand how to discern the jobs worth bidding on and those that aren't. Most successful freelancers are hard-pressed to use up all their connects in a month.

prestonhunter
Community Guru
Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
7 of 23

re: "You don't get enough credits to make proposals on every job you are qualified for."

 

You're not supposed to send proposals to every job you're qualified for.

 

If you really want to make money, then you should be sending very few proposals.

 

And you should continually narrow the types of jobs you apply to.

 

Feel free to look at my profile page. It is an example of a hyper-focused approach.

 

You desire to be qualified for many things and have many skills. The purpose of that approach is NOT to maximize earnings, but to feed ego.

 

The highest earning freelancers are specialists, not generalists who can do lots of different things.

hospemex
Active Member
Francisco B Member Since: Feb 28, 2017
8 of 23

I can't pay my bills with EGO, they don't take that at the bank. I am trying to make money of course and the connects are limiting especially for many small one time jobs.

hospemex
Active Member
Francisco B Member Since: Feb 28, 2017
9 of 23

@Preston H wrote:

Feel free to look at my profile page. It is an example of a hyper-focused approach.

The highest earning freelancers are specialists, not generalists who can do lots of different things.

 What if you don't want to be hyper-specialized or a specialist? Let me see if I understand you correctly. Are you saying that the way UPWORK works is by forcing people to specialize or else you cannot have success?

colettelewis
Community Guru
Nichola L Member Since: Mar 13, 2015
10 of 23

@Francisco B wrote:

@Preston H wrote:

Feel free to look at my profile page. It is an example of a hyper-focused approach.

The highest earning freelancers are specialists, not generalists who can do lots of different things.

 What if you don't want to be hyper-specialized or a specialist? Let me see if I understand you correctly. Are you saying that the way UPWORK works is by forcing people to specialize or else you cannot have success?


Francisco, whatever Upwork's faults, it does not "force" anyone to do anything. Preston was merely pointing out that freelancers should concentrate on a niche skill (and then perhaps branch out). I am a translator and an editor, and it is sometimes difficult wearing two hats. 

 

Upwork is certainly not going to stop you bidding in multiple categories, but you might find it difficult to get traction on the site if you do.