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Re: Catch 22 new to Upwork - Help needed

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Tomas M Member Since: Nov 8, 2019
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Hello. I've recently joined, 2 days ago, and I've been making good, strong proposals, 24 in total. My portfolio is good, but I'm not even getting any profile views. 0 views. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

 

I've already purchased another 60 connects, but I feel like it's a waste of time and money. I have no job score and clients aren't even checking my profile. I have all the skills, experience and time to complete every project I bid on. I'm offering myself for a fraction of what I usually charge, but still, no view, no contract, not even any replies. 

 

I know what people will say, that it's just the way it is and be patient. But I'd like someone to answer one fundamental question, please. 

 

How can I get jobs here without already having done jobs here? It's a total catch 22. It's not like I have no portfolio, no experience, and no skills. The opposite in fact. 

 

How do other people get started?

 

Should I be working for 0 money just to get the job score and feedback?

 

I heard this is frowned upon, and I understand why, but then how can I ever get a job?

 

I'm genuinely interested in what others did to get those first few jobs. Any help would be much appreciated. 

 

Thank you.

 

 

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
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re: "Should I be working for 0 money just to get the job score and feedback?"

 

Work done for free does not result in feedback appearing on your profile page and does not lead to good JSS. Contracts with zero earnings only hurt JSS.

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John K Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
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Tomas, your profile is professional. However, while it's clever to start out discussing how many hats you wear, that doesn't say what you do and my understanding is clients only see the first 2 lines of your profile when you send a proposal, and someone whose primary language isn't English may not understand the expression.

Pay no attention to profile views. My understanding is they only count how many times your profile was visited in the course of a freelancer search. If a moderator or other highly knowledgeable person reads this, please confirm if my understanding is accurate.

24 proposals in 2 days seems excessive to me; perhaps you can be more selective. When I started out freelancing long ago, I tried to apply to jobs for which I was highly experienced or which would be unattractive to experienced freelancers for reasons such as low pay for a complex task. Don't work for free as Preston advised, but be willing to be underpaid, at least on a fixed price job. For instance, bid less than the proposed fix price budget. There's nothing immoral about doing so and in my experience, most freelancers automatically bid the full budget, so you will draw the attention of value-conscious clients.
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Tomas M Member Since: Nov 8, 2019
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Thanks for your comment. I actually just changed the opening to try to sound a bit different. I will change this back to a clear intro about my skills.

 

Re the proposals. I didn't realise there was such a thing as excessive. Every project I've bid on I am more than capable of delivering and all of them interested me to some extent. I just want to get started with a job and start to build my Score. 

 

So in terms of being selective, I'd say that I am being, but I'm also eager to get work. Also I always bid under the project budget and I've lowered my rate to as low as I possibly can do really. 

 

I guess I'll just keep trying!

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John K Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
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Tomas, there's one more thing I noticed about your profile: you're not a Rising Talent. If at all possible, do what it takes to meet the requirements for the badge. As things stand, you're at a slight disadvantage compared to new freelancers who are Rising Talent, and Upwork will even give you some free connects for your troubles. 

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Tomas M Member Since: Nov 8, 2019
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 John I think I am eligible for the rising talent badge, but I have no idea how to apply for it?

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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John K wrote:

Pay no attention to profile views. My understanding is they only count how many times your profile was visited in the course of a freelancer search. If a moderator or other highly knowledgeable person reads this, please confirm if my understanding is accurate.

Correct

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Richard W Member Since: Jun 22, 2017
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John K wrote:

Pay no attention to profile views. My understanding is they only count how many times your profile was visited in the course of a freelancer search. If a moderator or other highly knowledgeable person reads this, please confirm if my understanding is accurate.

Correct


I thought they changed it a few months ago to include some other types of views. That was why the number of views increased significantly. At least mine did.

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Tomas M Member Since: Nov 8, 2019
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Thanks for clarifying that. 

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Amanda L Member Since: Jan 23, 2018
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Tomas M wrote:

Hello. I've recently joined, 2 days ago, and I've been making good, strong proposals, 24 in total. My portfolio is good, but I'm not even getting any profile views. 0 views. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

 

I've already purchased another 60 connects, but I feel like it's a waste of time and money. I have no job score and clients aren't even checking my profile. I have all the skills, experience and time to complete every project I bid on. I'm offering myself for a fraction of what I usually charge, but still, no view, no contract, not even any replies. 

 

I know what people will say, that it's just the way it is and be patient. But I'd like someone to answer one fundamental question, please. 

 

How can I get jobs here without already having done jobs here? It's a total catch 22. It's not like I have no portfolio, no experience, and no skills. The opposite in fact. 

 

How do other people get started?

 

Should I be working for 0 money just to get the job score and feedback?

 

I heard this is frowned upon, and I understand why, but then how can I ever get a job?

 

I'm genuinely interested in what others did to get those first few jobs. Any help would be much appreciated. 

 

Thank you.

 

 


Tomas, it's rare for anyone to get their first job in just 2 days of having been on the platform. I don't know who set that expectation for you, but I believe most freelancers land their first gig within the first 1-2 months, not days. I know for me it took a couple of weeks to land the first gig, and I certainly wasn't sending out dozens of proposals a day. Read up on how to be more selective on what you apply to and understand that building up a portfolio of freelance clients takes time. It is not something that is done overnight, or even in 48 hours. 

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