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Contract process for a new freelancer

brunwardo
Active Member
Ryan B Member Since: Apr 4, 2018
1 of 14

Good afternoon, 

 

I am new to the site as a freelance writer and received my first contract after a proposal and some dialogue with the client.  

 

Are the contract for blog writers standard?  I didn't see any info on compensation for the project in the contract though we had discussion through the messenger.

 

My second question:  the client indicated that after the contract was returned, I would be hired through the Upwork site.  Is that where the compensation details will be outlined.

 

The only reason I am skeptical right now on my first potential project is the job was posted as hourly, but we worked out a per word payment agreement that I couldn't alter because the job was set up as an hourly rate.

 

Thanks for any help you can be to a new freelancer on Upwork.

prestonhunter
Community Guru
Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
2 of 14

re: "Are the contract for blog writers standard?"

 

Ryan:

Upwork has standard contract language for:

- fixed-price contracts

- hourly contracts

 

The default contract language is the same regardless of category, whether it is blog writing or illustration or baking cakes and photographing them for cookbooks.

prestonhunter
Community Guru
Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
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3 of 14

re: "I didn't see any info on compensation for the project in the contract though we had discussion through the messenger."

 

Discussing work via Upwork messenger does not constitute a contract.

 

You only have a contract if you can click on My Jobs -> My Jobs in the Upwork website and see an active contract listed. There will be either a dollar amount (fixed-price contracts) or an hourly rate.

 

If you don't see that, then you don't have a contract. If you don't see that, you will not be paid.

 

There is no such thing as a contract without "info on compensation for the project in the contract."

 

re: "the client indicated that after the contract was returned, I would be hired through the Upwork site.  Is that where the compensation details will be outlined."

 

This guy is jerking you around.

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brunwardo
Active Member
Ryan B Member Since: Apr 4, 2018
4 of 14

Thank you for the feedback.  I will call him out on it.  Have a great day.

prestonhunter
Community Guru
Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
5 of 14

Well... my advice is to always be nice, in case there is some misunderstanding.

Especially considering the fact that you're new. And who knows... Maybe he is new.

 

Possibly this is a real client who really intends to hire you. But the bottom line is if there is nothing in My Jobs -> My Jobs, there is no contract.

 

In case the client doesn't know how to do this the right way, what he needs to do is click the big green "Hire" button next to your name. (This is what he sees in the client-side interface. Not what you see in the freelancer-side interface.)

 

If he clicks the "Hire" button, then it will cause a contract offer to be sent to you. You'll get an email. And when you click on "Find Work -> Proposals", you will see an offer, with a green "Accept" button.

brunwardo
Active Member
Ryan B Member Since: Apr 4, 2018
6 of 14

I went about it in a very nice way and gave him the feedback to submit the contract through the site and the hire button.  After what began as a lot of communication throughout the day yesterday ended on his end the moment I said that.  Smiley Sad

brunwardo
Active Member
Ryan B Member Since: Apr 4, 2018
7 of 14

Good afternoon all, 

Hopefully just one more follow up question.  The client has responded to me that what he has sent is an agreement that they have all contractors sign before hiring that states articles can be used on their website and related media, the article is genuine and the paid article should not be distributed elsewhere.  He has added the pay per word component to the agreement and indicated that once it is signed, the contract would be processed through Upwork.

 

The client does have two reviews with five stars and also has open jobs with hires and money spent, so I'm thinking this might be legit and I may have been confusing an agreement with a contract.  Is the agreement something commons for the writers on the site?  Am I out of line asking to sign the agreement after I get the actual contract signed.

 

Thanks to everyone for being so helpful with my rookie questions.

 

Ryan 

mtngigi
Community Guru
Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
8 of 14

@Ryan B wrote:

Good afternoon all, 

Hopefully just one more follow up question.  The client has responded to me that what he has sent is an agreement that they have all contractors sign before hiring that states articles can be used on their website and related media, the article is genuine and the paid article should not be distributed elsewhere.  He has added the pay per word component to the agreement and indicated that once it is signed, the contract would be processed through Upwork.

 

The client does have two reviews with five stars and also has open jobs with hires and money spent, so I'm thinking this might be legit and I may have been confusing an agreement with a contract.  Is the agreement something commons for the writers on the site?  Am I out of line asking to sign the agreement after I get the actual contract signed.

 

Thanks to everyone for being so helpful with my rookie questions.

 

Ryan 


Do a forum search for "NDA" and you'll find lots of info. You might also find it more helpful to post to the writer's forum for advice.

brunwardo
Active Member
Ryan B Member Since: Apr 4, 2018
9 of 14

Thank you Virginia, this was so helpful!  I have a lot to read and learn on here in the near future.  The NDA info was very useful and this particular one is not concerning based on all of Preston's input from the NDA search.

 

You guys rock!

 

Ryan 

mwiggenhorn
Community Guru
Mary W Member Since: Nov 10, 2014
10 of 14

NDA - be sure it doesn't contain your personal information, other than your name.  Also make sure it doesn't have a non-compete clause.