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Job warning signs

When reading a job description, what causes you to go "Ut-oh!"? What red flags do you see in applications that at least puts you on your guard, if not actually skip to the next one? Here's some of mine (and others):

 

First and foremost The work is yours until you are paid in full. You own the copyright until you have been paid the agreed sum. If you choose to work for 15 cents per hour then that's your problem. If it takes longer than you thought..again, down to you. BUT. If you have done your bit according to the contract that you agreed, then the work is yours until it's paid for.

 

Asking for payment or to use your own accounts (Thanks Dave!) Money comes from the client to you; anything else and you're doing it wrong. Do not ever (unless you know the client really well, and give it second thoughts even then) pay for something for the client unless you have received the money from them first. Deposit for something; webhosting accounts; domain name; subscription for site X that is "essential for the job" etc etc. No money. Ever. Similarly, do not use your own eBay, Craigslist etc. accounts to list things for sale...chances are high that it will end badly and wreck any good karma you have built up there. And it'll be you in the frame if it turns out that it was illegal.

 

"Bait and Switch" (Thanks Selcalmel!) Clients advertise one job and then offer a different job at interview. Now there can be valid reasons for this; but a big difference between the job description and the work you're being offered should be viewed with extreme suspicion. Mostly on oDesk it's either jobs that you wouldn't have applied for if the job was described honestly or changing the rules to try and get the price down.

 

Too many people being interviewed This can be a sign that the buyer is dividing the job up and giving the various parts as a 'test' to applicants...with the intention of getting the job for free. It could just be that the buyer is looking for a very specific set of skills, or other innocent motive, but maybe not.

NOTE: (Thanks Brandon!) This also applies to the client's history...check the total number of jobs posted versus people hired. If there are a load of jobs posted but few contracts awarded, then proceed with caution.

 

Only low bidders being interviewed If you're not one of the low bidders on that job then it's probably not worth applying.

 

Long list of demands, silly budget We've all seen them; the jobs for an all-singing, all-dancing website for $100, followed by either a HUGE feature list and/or a long list of qualities required by the contractor. Luckily for you, the buyer is advertising the fact that they are a wanker (behaviour which is unlikely to change if you were unfortunate enough to land the contract). This buyer knows the market well enough to know exactly what they want; and must therefore know that the budget is exploitative...move on. And as a corollary to the above (Thanks Louis!):

 

People who bellow orders, often in capitals "SUCH SUCH WILL NOT BE READ I IF [insert term].... OTHERWISE I WILL DELETE YOUR APPLICATION IMMEDIATELY". Or "MUST ATTACH SUCH AND SUCH OTHERWISE YOU ARE WASTING MY TIME". Some people -presumably after watching Alan Sugar or that twat Trump- think that this is how bosses should behave. I see it mostly as a sign of either someone being new to being in a position to call the shots and is a bit insecure about it, or someone who is a natural git. In either case your job will be more difficult because of it. Also, these types of application are frequently paired with a ridiculous budget. Any buyers who are reading this should note that this isn't the way to go about things...also all capitals make it harder to read and you're increasing the chances of applicants missing an important detail. Annoying people before they've even applied for your job cannot possibly help. Am I the only one, by the way, who feels the impulse to reply in kind?: "Listen up bitch. I reckon I can do it in 10 hours which'll cost you $450 and if that isn't good enough then you can just **Edited for Community Guidelines** would be a fairly short application, probably.

 

Mention of half-finished job/previous contractor/s There are two factors here...sorting out what someone else has done often takes longer than just doing whatever it is from scratch. You will very probably be inheriting a hairy-arsed nightmare. The other factor -and a question you should be asking yourself (and the buyer, come to that)- is exactly why the previous contractor didn't finish. It does happen that buyers get a run of bad luck with contractors (often after playing in the lower budget ranges), so it isn't necessarily the buyer's fault. On the other hand, it could be. Rescuing a client from a wall-to-wall catastrophe at the 11th hour is one of the best smug feelings you can get as a freelancer; but these jobs are high-risk...you need to ascertain for yourself that the buyer is genuine before getting in too deep. A note to any buyers reading this: If you've already been through two or more contractors and you still don't have a result, you need to seriously consider throwing a match in and starting with fresh code. I've had jobs where it took significantly longer to find out what the hell the previous guys had done than it would have taken to just bin everything and do the job. And with other people's code, you can never be 100% sure that you haven't missed something important/broken/nasty.

 

One-line descriptions Buyers quite often don't know the information that a contractor needs in order to produce a final product the client will be happy with; that's not a problem and it's the contractor's job to ask the right questions. But when you see a job like "I need a website. Plz replie", just move on. If they can't be bothered, then neither can I.

 

Payment method not verified Sign either of a first-time user or a scammer. If the unverified user is overly familiar with the way oDesk works...warning! If it's a first time user, you may well have to do some unofficial oDesk support and talk them through it. And you might still get scammed at the end.

 

Anything where you have to create a user account on another site (that isn't the site you're working on) before you start. No. Just no.

 

Business plan with failure built in As a webdesigner, I hear 10 plans for world domination before breakfast. Some job descriptions have fail built into the very fabric of the scheme. The worst ones are the ones where you have to mess around with NDAs and soothe the buyer that you're not going to be over the horizon with his masterplan (which often as not turns out to be another bloody facebook or youtube clone). *sigh*

 

Jobs where 'clients' are mentioned I don't really like sub-sub contracting. Firstly there's there's the thought of the buyer sitting on his arse collecting cash for my work; which rankles a bit. Secondly -and more important- is the 'Chinese Whisper Effect'; where the original client's specs is filtered through the middleman's idea of what the end-client wants. These specs may well not be accurate. You *will* be doing extra work because of this. The same applies to large companies where an underling has been given the task and is now offloading it onto you; but in this case the specs are more often written down. The worse case in this latter scenario can be where it's a committee and everyone present has to get a design change in there -no matter how pointless- just to get their name in the minutes of the meeting.

 

"It will only take 5 minutes" No it won't. No job in the history of contracting has ever taken only 5 minutes. It takes longer than that to liase with the potential client, for a start.

 

Jobs that aren't worth it ((Your hourly rate) * (Number of hours you think it will take)) + (Say 10% safety margin for extra missions/unexplained bits) = (Your price for the job). If there's not enough money or not enough time, then it's usually best to move on.

 

Anything that mentions CAPTCHA or removing watermarks It's naughty. Don't.

 

Web scraping Nah. Probably illegal (copyright) and definitely immoral. You're stealing someone else's work. Worse...you're automating stealing someone else's work.

 

Jobs where it looks like a reasonable budget for the job until you read the description and it turns out that the budget is a monthly wage for full-time work of the same type This is annoying and wastes time.

 

Non-profit organisation (Thanks Mahesh!) A non-profit organisation is not the same thing as a charity. Some are, of course, but some are tax dodges, some are for groups of people, with the aim of the organisation being something you don't necessarily approve of..."Mothers in support of the ruthless oppression of Brits in Spain"; "White supremacy"; "Black supremacy"; whatever. Or -as Mahesh points out- it could just be weasel-wording for the fact that they haven't made any money.

 

Buyers asking for free work samples/tests (Thanks Anna!) It is the buyer's right to ask, just as it is your right to refuse. It's also discouraged by oDesk. All the veteran contractors (including me) will advise against free samples and in any case that's what your portfolio is for...to show previous examples of work and the standard that you're capable of. For contractors it just is not worth it...if there's 30 applicants to the job, you're spending time doing work for a 1 in 30 chance of getting a job. You can spend your entire life doing this and not make a penny. Now that I've said all that, a free sample is what landed me my first job on oDesk...someone wanted a graphic vector conversion and -having some free time- I just did it and sent an (unusable) sample graphic in. The buyer didn't demand a sample (I would not have applied if that were the case), but I proved I could do the job by doing it. Traditionally in design work, it used to be the case that the designer offered several alternate designs; but those were for *much* larger-budget jobs. It isn't worth even considering for the sort of jobs that are at oDesk. If you do choose to give free samples, always watermark them (Thanks Ernesto!). In the case of writing samples, send them as a graphic or locked PDF so that the text can't be used without paying you.

 

Free work samples - Part II If the buyer is asking for free samples and if it's the sort of job that can be broken up into smaller tasks then pay extra attention; and also look closely at the number of people being interviewed.

 

"Great opportunity for newbies" (Thanks Judith!) This means that a buyer is offering a risably small budget for work in exchange for giving you feedback. This is either feedback blackmail or investing time in order to get in the game, depending upon your point of view. You are definitely being taken advantage of; but really it's your decision...as long as you go into it with your eyes open and as long as it's all agreed at the start. Buyers trying to use feedback to change the terms after the job has started, however, should be reported.

 

Vague specifications (Thanks Louis!) It's harder to work with vague specifications, mostly, but you see quite a lot of jobs with insufficient detail. If you're extremely lucky, it's a buyer who wants this Thing to perform this Function; is busy; has correctly assessed your level of competence; and trusts you to get 'er done. This is rare. It is, however, also difficult to write job descriptions with exactly the right amount of detail. Insufficient detail could be due to laziness; unfamiliarity with the oDesk system; lack of knowledge (which is after all why the buyer is getting a professional in)...lots of reasons. The best way of approaching this -I believe- is to use the application letter and interview to clear up any ambiguities and to focus in on the specs so that you and the client both agree on what the job actually is and where the boundaries are. If you start the job and only have a vague idea of what the client wants, you are going to have problems. Possibly big problems if the job description also states...

 

Unlimited redo A job description containing these words should be approached with caution. Particularly with website work, as you're essentially agreeing to maintain it forever as part of the deal. Add a bit of mission creep to a contract like this and you're in a world of hurt. I always specify 'reasonable amount of re-do' in the cover letter. It's a contract and you should never agree to something that can suck up an infinite amount of your time for free. I understand that buyers want their work the way they want it and the 'unlimited' is mostly just a way of ensuring that their needs will be met. You, the contractor, also needs to ensure that you're covered, so best to renegotiate this phrase.

 

"Send us ID" This is not needed to work at oDesk. Don't do it or you will be very sorry. Verify who you are through oDesk, if you must, but ***NEVER*** send ID; bank account details, PayPal, eBay or any other information that can be used by ID-theft types.

 

Write to me outside of odesk This isn't necessarily a problem...everyone has their preferred methods of communication. At the first hint of paying outside of oDesk you should run away quickly: It's against oDesk rules; will get your account terminated if you're caught; and you will probably get stiffed by the buyer anyway.

 

Phishing (Thanks Santos!) The way this works is that someone sends you a link (usually an obscured one like "http://bit.ly/whatever"). This takes you to a page that *looks like* a login page to a common internet service (Gmail, Paypal, Amazon, whatever), but isn't. What the page is, is a copy of that login screen and the idea is that you type your password in and it gets captured by naughty people. It's then standard practice to use that email/username/password on lots of other common services to see if they work. If you 1) fall for it and 2) use the same password everywhere, you're stuffed. Don't trust an obscured link; and ALWAYS check the URL on a login screen, just to make sure you're in the place you think you are. Personally, I go a little further than that and keep a link with my (encrypted) password file and I only use my local link to visit web services.

 

Good luck out there!

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You have to bellow "ENHAAANCE!" at the screen while typing furiously, I believe.
kdgcom
Community Member

I know that I am only reiterating some of what others have posted. But If the Client is so sure that it is an EASY or QUICK job. Why can't they just do it themselves? And the lower the budget, the HIGHER the expectations generally. Especially if they are promising more work in the future and their payment method is unverified. But still they included 5 additional questions for you to answer in order to get their quick, easy, 5 dollar job with the promise of future work to come. It doesn't take much of a genius to figure it out.
poptart
Community Member

Thank you, I wish I had found this the very first day. Where do I get the deity proof hat?
expuser
Community Member

It never went into production, alas. While providing protection against lightning and plagues of frogs; it turned out not to be very effective against a plague of actual plague...back to the drawing board.
blair-cindy
Community Member

I really enjoyed reading this. While I knew most of this, there were some things that I did not know. However, there is one flag that I use that I do not think that you listed and that is where there are 80 or more applicants for a job, but an overwhelming number of them were initiated by the Client, not the Contractor. That tells me that the Client is on a fishing expedition and it is probably not worth my while to respond to that job. While I have gotten jobs where the Client contacted me first, I was usually either the only one or one of a few Contractors offered the job. Again, thanks for providing us all of this information in one spot.

This is certainly noteworthy. I have observed that Clients who call 10 or fewer Contractors for a job are more likely to hire immediately. Cindy's statement, "While I have gotten jobs where the Client contacted me first, I was usually either the only one or one of a few Contractors offered the job" is absolutely true. Seasoned Contractors will recognize a Client on a "Fishing Expedition" - without any difficulty.
Raj.K.Ashok
vsevolod-shustov
Community Member

What does it mean if client have statistics like 50 jobs posted - 1 contract paid? It could mean that he either haven't found appropriate contractors for 49 jobs, or he have scammed up to 49 contractors by posting fixed-price jobs and not paying for them, right?

Could be both. Or maybe the client is just isn't offering a decent job and no one is applying. Either way, a client with 50 Jobs posted and 1 paid contract is probably best avoided.
hazel16
Community Member

thanks for putting this list up. I just got scammed for travel article writing. ill keep this tips as guide for my future projects. i moved on and learn so much from my last offer, and all you said here matches to how i feel. thanks really.
awni
Community Member

Hi, Thank you for this post and thanks to contractors who added some very helpful comments. Here's my contribution. Although this happened to me only once, I think it's important due to its legal aspect and what the money may be used for. The client wanted to hire project managers, team leaders, senior developers, juniors, mobile developers, a whole team, a whole company! And what was interesting is they set the hourly rate to $60-$100. I changed my hourly rate to $80/hour to suit them and applied. They interviewed me and said that they will send me $60 to sign up for a service and that they would send the money prior to sign up. From the payment gateway, I saw that this money is going to a particular credit card. Not a bank account, not to a company account. To an individual's credit card. First thing I assumed was some kind of fraud. Terrorists transferring money to their guys under the radar. They can get away with this because the amounts are small, no one will notice. I confronted them, they ended my candidacy. I report to oDesk and suggested they report them to the FBI. Like I said, I only saw this once under software development related jobs, but it could be more common under other categories. Thanks for reading, Awni Hussein
urfa_samad
Community Member

great points, recently i have faced one 🙂 my client ask my id and gave a job on id and said to open a job for that task on odesk later but after 8 days there is still no new job open for what i have done.

If you actually sent your ID, you should now be monitoring your personal life for identity theft. Now that the people have a copy of your ID they can open bank accounts, apply for credit cards etc. in your name and it's you that gets stuck with the bill if they do it right. Be careful.

Urooj, you should never give out your ID to anyone. Secondly, never start working on a project unless you see an active contract on your profile. Please report the client to Customer Support.


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expuser
Community Member

i agree 100%
techniqueweb
Community Member

Some good info, Darren. Thank you. Jobs where 'clients' are mentioned I am a web consultant and outsource most work, but I also write detailed specs that get approved by the client and given directly to the developer. I do collect cash, but I'm also working 12+ hours per day. You also mentioned total jobs posted- for me, I have had a bad run of developers for the past month (two projects, 5 different developers, zero work completed). I have had to end the contract, repost, etc.. I spent a lot of time interviewing, reading applicantions and profiles, and asking questions, but never asked someone to do work for free.
tnalmarales05
Community Member

Wish I had seen this before a lot of unpaid hours were lost.
dale315
Community Member

Incisive and comprehensive. Thanks so much! Dale
suzew
Community Member

I joined oDesk a couple of weeks ago, but just found this post tonight. I'm laughing and rolling my eyes at the same time. • "This job should only take 5 minutes." Then why aren't these "experts" doing the work themselves? • "Vague specifications." I wish oDesk would have a checklist of information needed for the clients to input a job, as in not only what programs are required, but what versions of the programs. But I do think that, in a lot of the job postings I've seen, the clients are intentionally vague to get people to commit to more work than they stated. In other instances, it's simply the client not having a clue about what is required because they are in management, and not in the trenches using the programs or doing the work. There are predators disguised as clients, as well as predators disguised as contractors. The above post at least helps the honest contractors identify the client predators. And I thank Darren, et al, for that! Good luck to us all!
elizabethapeden
Community Member

I had a client that sent me a bit email or phishing site. Good to know I did the right thing when I declined.

Hi Elizabeth, please contact Customer Support to report this client as well. Include any communication exchanged for proof/reference.


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strawberrybrz
Community Member

I had a client post a job that is very vague and then after I applied is willing to pay a larger amount of money to basicly just print and mail checks but I have to buy the ink and checks and would get reimbursed later.....seems extremely suspicious to me but need a second opinion. Client is new to the site, as am I, and therefore there is no feedback or verification yet. Thanks in advance

Hi Jennifer, do proceed with caution. There are cases where the client asks you to buy software/hardware from a specific vendor and insists on sending you a check in the mail later, that is a scam. Use your good judgement, and if it feels like a scam, report it to Customer Support so that they can look into this further.


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expuser
Community Member

Printing and mailing cheques might also be money laundering
jabitr
Community Member

Thanks Darren! Great post! 🙂
zmyerswest
Community Member

Hey all, I wanted to add this to the list: "Hello! I'd like to personally invite you to apply to my job. Please review the job post and apply if you're available." I have received about 20 invitations to interview in the last 2 weeks or so with that exact message (or a variation of it - the wording is a little different, but generally it's the same message of: I'd like to personally invite you to this job. Please review and apply if you're available. I've applied to the first few jobs until it started to look like a scam. I've even responded back with "Is this a legitimate job?" and I still get no reply. So, everyone. Please watch out for this! I don't think the jobs are real and no one (client) is responding.

Zoleeta, this is a default template that the clients see when they are inviting someone to interview. Some people change it to a custom message, others let it stay as it is. Look at the job posting itself and the client history to see if the job is legit or not.


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ashok_raj
Community Member

I didn't know this was a default template. This information is extremely useful. I will think twice before ignoring any invitations from Clients. And your suggestion about the job posting and client history is useful too. A Client who has already spent thousands of dollars on Odesk must be unquestionably genuine (about 99 percent of the times at least). I would be glad if you could enlighten us about the other "Default Templates" that Clients see. Thanks in advance!
Raj.K.Ashok

Hi Zoleeta, Actually, that's not a scam indicator, but the template message in place when a client invites you to interview. Some choose to change it and add a custom message, others don't.


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ashok_raj
Community Member

Absolutely Perfect on all counts! Score: 10
Raj.K.Ashok

I have lost money due to some of the factors mentioned above. However, I have more than made up for what I have lost by working for genuine Clients. I have specifically mentioned in my Profile: No Fixed Price Contracts. Only Hourly Contracts. Despite this, I have received 20+ Invitations from Clients for Fixed Price Jobs in the last two weeks. There are thousands (or probably tens of thousands) of Good Clients on Odesk. There is no doubt about that.
Raj.K.Ashok
plainrane
Community Member

I had a client contact me on Skype and tell me they wanted me to do 200 short SEO articles and would setup the contract after they got out of a meeting, but, in the mean time, they wanted me to get started on the first one and get it to them by such-and-such time. I told them no way. I'll start after they get the contract setup. Not surprisingly, they disappeared from Skype and I didn't hear anything else.
ruokcu2
Community Member

I am a hirer! Think of yourself as a hirer! You get 20 applications. All different but all not perfect anyway too much information. How can you tell which one, should you make discussions with each one? Too time consuming. Portfolios maybe faked, and my not have what you need to see in them. So if you are as good as you are telling me then there is only one way to prove it. A TRAIL run. It is a normal practice not something unusual. 20 applicants. 6 Take part in trial test. Others aggravated "just hire me I will prove to you I am good". That will not hack it with me, I want live proof. Others no reply. The Trial I inform all that winner has been selected and send all applicants the results. Now I can see from the work I have received:- They are legitimate They want the work They can do the work They have the skills We are on the same wave length The communication is to standard or it is not. So do not under principle think that trials test run is a bad thing. It is up to u if you have the time and skills then do it.
petra_r
Community Member

[quote=Jay G.]I am a hirer! [/quote] So what? So am I. [quote] Think of yourself as a hirer! [/quote] Well, I think of myself as a client and an independent business. "Hirer" smells of "bottom-feeding." [quote] A TRAIL run. It is a normal practice not something unusual. [/quote] What you mean is a trial run. It IS normal practice. PAID FOR. Simple. Expecting 20 people to do free work for you, however, may be "common" in the nether regions of the freelancing pond, it is not "normal" for experienced professionals who respect the time and work of the experienced professionals they intend to work with. If you want work done, pay for it. Simple.

whilst some good points, i have to take issue with some. buyers asking for tests.. what's wrong with finding out if a contractor can actually do the job? You expect us to pay for failure? Past success with different projects is no guarantee. non-profit organisation.. many times these are genuine businesses that do great philanthropic work without begging for money, instead we trade legitamately and all our profits get reinvested in our missions. the fact that we are non-profit actually boosts confidence in our work, because we do not exist to make shareholders or our rich at the expense of our end users or supporters. charities on the other hand, demand freebies, constantly beg for money, cry foul when it dries up, and employ very very highly paid directors.

[quote=Adrian C.]whilst some good points, i have to take issue with some. buyers asking for tests.. what's wrong with finding out if a contractor can actually do the job? [/quote] Nothing. St up a small (fixed price if you like) trial contract and test to your heart's content. [quote] You expect us to pay for failure? [/quote] Nope. I expect you to pay for the work you ask other people to do. Time is money. Unless your test takes literally minutes it is "asking for free work. You can set up a small "trial contract" - fixed price, and if the contractor delivers nothing you do not pay. Simple. [quote] Past success with different projects is no guarantee. [/quote] True. So? [quote] non-profit organisation.. many times these are genuine businesses that do great philanthropic work without begging for money, instead we trade legitamately and all our profits get reinvested in our missions. the fact that we are non-profit actually boosts confidence in our work, because we do not exist to make shareholders or our rich at the expense of our end users or supporters. charities on the other hand, demand freebies, constantly beg for money, cry foul when it dries up, and employ very very highly paid directors. [/quote] Did you mean to include this in a post about asking for free work as it couldn't be less relevant if it tried. But let's use your "charity" analogy, shall we? A contractor isn't one. A contractor's time is money and if you want a piece of that time you can jolly well pay for it.

This is jolly well epic. I get my knickers in a snit when clients use any and every justification to ask for free work so they can make their hiring judgement. New, mutton-head freelancers fall for this type of malarkey over and over. Not that is does any good, but every time I see a job posting asking for unique content as part of the application process, I mark it as spam. Of course, the client asking for free work is *always* a fine and upstanding person, and would *never, ever* take advantage of a contractor, and every promise in the job description is met. There are plenty of ways to verify a candidate's skills without free work; clients are either too lazy to do it or they don't know how to hire properly. Then they complain about the quality of the work they get. I'm not Mr. Perfect. There's plenty of room for me to grow professionally, but before I became a full-time freelancer, I never would have accepted a job that didn't include paid training. I have worked in 2 traditional jobs where the candidate was invited to perform actual work as part of the hiring process. Both times it was 4 hours of PAID work! There's no bleeping way a contractor should give away work, just because their income is internet-based.
gmang
Community Member

I often do sketches for the potential clients for free... unless I'm asked to do them. I understand it's hard for clients to find out who will do their work best, and having hired once I was able to see how the list of bidders look and it's easy to get overwhelmed by all the options. So I understand how this client felt when decided to ask for samples, but clients should equally try to understand how things are at our side and realize we make our income from our time. They are not offering a fixed position for a year (many act as if they did), but a small part of our monthly income.

[quote=Adrian C.]......Past success with different projects is no guarantee. non-profit organisation.. many times these are genuine businesses that do great philanthropic work without begging for money, instead we trade legitamately and all our profits get reinvested in our missions. the fact that we are non-profit actually boosts confidence in our work, because we do not exist to make shareholders or our rich at the expense of our end users or supporters. charities on the other hand, demand freebies, constantly beg for money, cry foul when it dries up, and employ very very highly paid directors.[/quote] First of all, if you are too lazy to interview someone and find out what they are capable of doing don't expect free work. As for your "non profit" status, don't think of it as impressing anyone -- and for myself it leaves me completely unimpressed and because you are seeking "free" work without calling it "free work" instead using the fake "trial work" -- it makes me skeptical about your ethics.. I am a member of a Lions club and I do a great deal of volunteer work. Unlike most other "non-profit" groups no Lions club member is reimbursed for their work. Our Club, District and Multiple-District officers are all VOLUNTEERS. If you think that being a "non profit" entitles you to free work then I encourage you to solicit volunteers through your local website or newspaper but do not come to a freelance site where people are trying to earn a living and insist on free work as you'll only be disappointed.

Here here, Doreen! Well said - hopefully this individual and everyone else operating with a similar "business" model have read that and left. Then again, maybe I should get my head out of the clouds. Still, thank you! Joshua
fayala
Community Member

First off, great article Darren! Secondly, on asking for the moon and (extremely) silly budgets...has anyone else noticed there's been a recent increase of job posts like these? To these people I say: You ask for people with a gadzillion skills, and expect your hired gun to be reliable, work as fast as a tasmanian devil (the cartoon kind), etc., etc., ad nauseum. Then when your $1/hour hire doesn't dance when you say so, you bellyache and scream that you "got burned". "Put up or shut up" is the most diplomatic thing I can think of to say. * sigh * Anyway, you might want to add the kinds of job posts that offer a carrot for low rates. By "carrot" I mean statements along the lines of "a partnership in the future when business picks up" or "a share of revenues". cheers!
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