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Re: Client job descriptions

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Rene K Member Since: Jul 10, 2014
11 of 19

LIN F wrote:
I don’t know what the client interface looks like, 

It looks like something one has to be really motivated to fill.

 

It's long enough and there is nothing that anybody can do that would force someone to better describe what they want. There is a text field in which they can write whatever they want. If they cannot be bothered to describe what they want in more than a couple of short sentences, it's actually a good indication that they are not that much motivated or that they will be PITA to work with.

 

Anyways, the whole subject is totally irrelevant. Why would you spend one second minding job posts with poor descriptions? Why would you want Upwork waste their time trying to find an improbable solution to something that is not even a problem?

 

These job postings are simply not there. It's background noise. Focus on jobs that are appealing to you, not on jobs that you're not interested in.

 

 

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Nichola L Member Since: Mar 13, 2015
12 of 19

Rene K wrote:

LIN F wrote:
I don’t know what the client interface looks like, 

It looks like something one has to be really motivated to fill.

 

It's long enough and there is nothing that anybody can do that would force someone to better describe what they want. There is a text field in which they can write whatever they want. If they cannot be bothered to describe what they want in more than a couple of short sentences, it's actually a good indication that they are not that much motivated or that they will be PITA to work with.

 

Anyways, the whole subject is totally irrelevant. Why would you spend one second minding job posts with poor descriptions? Why would you want Upwork waste their time trying to find an improbable solution to something that is not even a problem?

 

These job postings are simply not there. It's background noise. Focus on jobs that are appealing to you, not on jobs that you're not interested in.

 

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I agree, but there is an argument against this. Some clients are understandably, cagey and they don't want to reveal too much too soon. However, there is room for job-offer improvement without giving too much away. What harm is there in initially giving the wordcount and subject matter - at least - for a translation or editing/proofreading job? If clients are not encouraged to write better job posts, they will end up with freelancers who may not necessarily deliver what they are expecting. 

 

I' m not including those clients who "are looking for the lowest bids".  


 

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Stefano P Member Since: Jul 29, 2019
13 of 19

"reveal too much, too soon"?? It's a job offer, not a date or a spy game. What is wrong with the world?

Just like we need to be precise and provide necessary info to be selected, THEY need to provide ALL the necessary info for us to make a more relevant and suitable estimate. It's not that hard.

 

I see this all the time, and even when people sell used stuff on websites where they don't have to pay anything: "I'll send pictures of the product only to those who are really interested." Well, pal.... are YOU really interested to sell in the first place? Evidently not. Since you cannot bother to take 2 minutes to upload FOR FREE a couple of freaking pictures.

 

The market already sucks, let's not justify and encourage the unjustifiable but rather call out what needs to be called out.

 

Try and treat any professional like that and see where it goes and how much it costs you Smiley Wink

Client: I need a house!

Architect: OK. What house do you have in mind? I'm afraid you will have to be a bit more precise if you want me to help you.

Client: You need to pay $0.15 to know more.

Architect: Here's my $200 bill. Cash only. Now go and learn how to live, pal Smiley Wink

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Mark F Member Since: Jul 10, 2018
14 of 19

What I would like to see is an option to flag a job posting as having insufficient information, and then after receiving a few of those Upwork would message the client letting them know they'd get better results if they updated the post with additional information.

 

 



I like that one Tiffany!

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Jennifer M Member Since: May 17, 2015
15 of 19

Tiffany S wrote:


Do you realize how many different fields there are on Upwork, each with their own very different sets of questions, and each of which would require expertise in the field to determine the right questions? I don't really want Upwork to devote a huge amount of time and resources to that project, especially since it doesn't really work--LinkedIn forces fields like the ones you're describing, and the end result is a bunch of posts that are misleading because the client doesn't really know the answers they're being forced to provide.

 

What I would like to see is an option to flag a job posting as having insufficient information, and then after receiving a few of those Upwork would message the client letting them know they'd get better results if they updated the post with additional information.

 

 


But this would require thinking outside of my own little safespace. WAT DO THIS IS IMPOSSIBRE???????

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Douglas Michael M Member Since: May 22, 2015
16 of 19

LIN F wrote:
....Most of us have preferred genres we work within and I’m now finding myself holding back on applying for anything unless it specifies that it’s within my area....Also, are clients aware of the restrictions we now work under?

"Holding back on applying" is exactly what the powers that be are expecting and hoping will happen. There is no reason to expect or wish the clients to know anything about us but what we do, how well we do it, and what we charge for doing it.

Part of our expertise—which may involve much more than 90 cents' worth of our time—is helping prospective clients, beginning with our proposals, understand what they want done. Some prospects are worth this investment on our part, others are not. If our businesses are to succeed, we need to be able to distinguish the buyers from the tirekickers.

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LIN F Member Since: Apr 30, 2016
17 of 19
That’s all very well and not really the issue I have. Yes, one can spot timewasters a mile away. My issue is being MORE SPECIFIC in the posting. That is, what GENRE and WORD COUNT of manuscript/article/website to be revised. If Upwork is able to show them an example of a decent job description as opposed to a crappy one they’ll also have the benefit of not having to wade through applications which are completely unsuitable. And I don’t have to waste my time and 6 connects at a shot to ASK. There are loads of them and as so many jobs are ‘unavailable to users in my location’ this is actually an issue I am feeling really irate about. It’s not as simple as ignoring the ‘background noise’ and moving on to one that is ‘worthwhile’. Because not many of them are at the outset.
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Amanda L Member Since: Jan 23, 2018
18 of 19

LIN F wrote:
That’s all very well and not really the issue I have. Yes, one can spot timewasters a mile away. My issue is being MORE SPECIFIC in the posting. That is, what GENRE and WORD COUNT of manuscript/article/website to be revised. If Upwork is able to show them an example of a decent job description as opposed to a crappy one they’ll also have the benefit of not having to wade through applications which are completely unsuitable. And I don’t have to waste my time and 6 connects at a shot to ASK. There are loads of them and as so many jobs are ‘unavailable to users in my location’ this is actually an issue I am feeling really irate about. It’s not as simple as ignoring the ‘background noise’ and moving on to one that is ‘worthwhile’. Because not many of them are at the outset.

I really do understand your pain. As a grant writer, I specialize in a few specific areas where I am very much an expert and there are certain areas I don't want to get involved with. I don't expect UpWork to change anything, but since we're complaining, your request for word count and genre is similar to my request for just tell me what industry. Are you an animal shelter, a jazz ensemble, an afterschool program, a veterans organization, like just give me some idea of, very broadly, what you do, so I even know if I might be the right grant writer for you. I do not work for for-profit companies. So, if you're trying to get a DOT contract, that's not me. So you could at least say that in your job description...Arg......but they won't, and it's fine. I just apply to the clients who are serious enough to know that the only way to find me, the expert, is by giving me enough information to know they are looking. 

 

I did like the analogy of walking into a restaurant and saying "I'm hungry!" Like at least tell me what you're allergic to so I don't kill you while I fill your very vague request. LOL!

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Amanda L Member Since: Jan 23, 2018
19 of 19

On the other hand, I just came across a job posting that was like 3 pages long and after getting through the Great Wall of China of text, I decided that perhaps that client wasn't going to be the best fit for me. 

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