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airmanx
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Is ChatGPT killing writing jobs on Upwork?

As a top-rated plus writer, I used to receive invitations almost every day. Now, after ChatGPT became famous, it has been weeks since I received an invite. I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence or has ChatGPT already started makin its impact on Upwork. I would like to ask other writers for their comments on ChatGPT and what they are doing in this situation,

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It can and it can't. I'd have to read more of it, to be sure, but what I have read lacks something. Maybe it is "the voice behind the voice." I could reference different movies all day long but part of what makes my movie references different behind them is the intent.

This isn't to say that the work coming out isn't adequate, but is it good?

And one other thought, I imagine that the words are often vetted by a human author before released for publication. So changes and tweaks are most likely made, unless you are telling me that no editing goes on.

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Tiffany,

 

I use these tools, therefore I am very familar with them and how they work; not mixing the words copywriting and plagiarism.

 

Please read this Post Samer and I have about the concepts since it provides more details. I think you will find it very interesting. Thanks!

 

https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Buzzfeed-amp-ChatGPT-Thoughts-From-Writers/m-p/1239146#M...

I'm not actually interested at all, thanks. I simply missed the recognitiion in your prior post that ChatGPT-3 is indeed founded in plagiarism. 

airmanx
Community Member

Thanks guys, I've been playing with it and the quality of writing appears fairly reasonable to me. I haven't checked if it plagiarises others work, but I doubt it. I agree that version 3 may be lacking in certain specialized types of writing, such as writing creative headlines for a specific brand or product, but version 4 is going to take care of it, I think. And they're rolling it out in 2023. Moreover, Google is also coming up with similar  products that  will be integrated with other Google apps.

On the whole, I believe ChatGPT and other AI tools are going to render many people  jobless, starting with content writers. The volume of work out there is going to shrink considerably. That's just the writing on the wall. I have seriously started considering other options, as I no longer feel secure just being a writer like I used to.

Imran,

 

Areas to be affected in 2023 are writers, social media content, programmers, law, medicine, finance, and the list goes on. The KEY is for everyone to upgrade their SKILLS to expert level and know about many different topics so that there is value added to the client.

Here's why I'm not sure how much use this advice will be in the long run: the more ubiquitous AI-generated content (empty, low-level content) becomes, the more the already-shifting norm and expectation will shift. I don't think the problem in the long run will be that the quality of AI content comes up to meet expert-level writers (though that's certainly possible), but that the flood of AI-generated pablum will rapidly dilute the demand for expert-level content by changing reader expectations and preferences. 

Yes, ChatGPT does plagiarize. It is against the Terms of Service to use it or any AI program in any way, including proposals.

rantimi-paul
Community Member

ChatGPT is a tool that can assist with writing tasks, but it is not designed to replace human writers.

Yes it assists the Intermediate to Experts today. Entry level is replaced with the new AI application tools that are layered onto ChatGPT-3.

6bfcdaf8
Community Member

Every single day, programming evolves. We can build a program in a day, which would take a year in 1980. Yet programmers make even more money and they are needed more than ever. We are humans, we learn, change, evolve. If chatgpt helps you write things faster, add it to your toolbelt. Tell your customers you start with AI and add a human touch, providing most cost effective service. Just like programmers use software libraries and new programming languages rather than rejecting or ignoring them. 

As a programer, it speeds the process, however within a few years, that AI application tools will do most of the programming and will work best with an Expert programmer. Lesser skilled programmers will not be as needed because the Enterprise companies will be using these tools to reduce costs themselves.

Market is transforming accordingly. Forexample, in the old days you'd program a web site with some programming languages. And then many easy to use drag-drop builders were created and now people become a webflow expert rather than html css expert for the most basic type of web sites. So noone is losing their jobs. Because your job was never translating from english to java. It was helping customers solve their problems through technology be it java or python or webflow or chatgpt. So these people will learn and evolve. Their knowledge is not set in stone, it is  stored in an organic brain ๐Ÿ™‚ 

What if the enterprise companies can now do the work themselves because they are so much more productive IE can do a weeks worth of work in a few hours?

In my understanding, enterprise companies are not concerned about budget as much as they are concerned about headcount and accountability. They will still ask for a contractor to do it, but as it gets more obvious that the work can be done in a few hours, they will budget it accordingly. Or, they will expect much better work for the same price. 

I was a Technology Financial Analyst at what is now JPMorgan Bank and the concern is always the bottomline. When there are 10,000 programmers at the bank and now only 5,000 are needed to get the same amount of work completed (future date not now), contractors aren't a consideration unless they offer a unique skill that is in short supply. These various API programming application tools are already obtaining some early adapters which will only increase this year. It is going to get interesting.

I aggree that freelancing is about constantly re-skilling yourself around what's in short supply and high demand

Using AI is against the Terms. That's a pretty good reason to not have it in your tool belt.

re: "Using AI is against the Terms""

 

??

 

Why would you say that?

I wrote about this in another thread. I'll find it instead of posting the same again.

 

I am in error by not specifying programs such as ChatGPT.

krasnovsky
Community Member

I don't think it's the chatbot's fault. As he sometimes writes such nonsense, and when you correct him, he apologizes. ๐Ÿ˜‰

d_samuel_udokpok
Community Member

I understand your concerns about the impact of ChatGPT on writing jobs on Upwork. While it's true that ChatGPT is a powerful tool for generating written content, I don't believe it should be viewed as a direct threat to the writing community.

ChatGPT is simply a tool that can be used to assist writers in their work. You can use it to generate ideas, help with research, and even assist with proofreading. It's not meant to replace the creativity and expertise of human writers.

 

In fact, I believe that ChatGPT can actually create more opportunities for writers. As businesses and individuals become more aware of the capabilities of AI-generated content, there will be an increased demand for human writers to edit and refine that content to make it truly unique and engaging.

 

So, my advice to you is to embrace ChatGPT as a tool that can help you in your writing, rather than viewing it as a threat. And don't hesitate to be creative and think outside the box when it comes to finding new writing opportunities.

Best of luck to you!

ChatGPT is not a threat to writers.

 

It is a threat to "writers."

ebb9f1d9
Community Member

ChatGpt is just software; how could it be like the human mind? How the software can think like a human! ChatGpt is just ruining the worth of writers who are more capable than this software. How software can think like a human and be creative!

I don't know why all people are considering using this software to write something.

Asifa,

 

GPTChat-3 is a poor writer due to plagiarism, but only for the time being. However, the AI API application tools in my opinion write at an average level and are 99.99% free of plagiarism. The programs are trained on trillions of neuro-linguistic pathways. Yes they create new content, however require at least an Intermediate or expert writer to edit.

 

One tool already has 100,000 users for writers that completes the above task at an average writers level.

 

 

627db19c
Community Member

my man chatGpt is not a danger for now but it will be soon if you ask me i will say if you are not top 1% of your skill you may lose you work ok. even it will create new opportunities switching carrier starting something new it will bring a lot of hard Competition so be prepair the wave is comming soon.

Sk,

 

Agreed especially once the corporations start using these various AI tools to get their tasks completed quicker.

Some major corporations have been relying heavily on AI copywriting for a few years. Check out some of the reporting on JP Morgan's use, which yielded significantly improved conversion rates for short copy.

the-right-writer
Community Member

I doubt it has much to do with the AI programs. There are several threads about why experienced freelancers are not receiving invitations. I believe it is the result of changing the search engines and the best match algorithms. I see a lot of low paying editing jobs for ChatGPT docs. The client wants the freelancer to make the content make sense, relevant, written well, and all errors corrected. I have seen a few of these, and Iโ€™m not worried. Yes, a lot of quick knock off jobs might be directed that way, but you still have to use a human to rewrite it.

Of course, there will be people who are sold on the future is here marketing.

This is a program that sources information and plugs in blocks of text. Text, that is stolen from people who wrote it. Clients who want or accept inferior junk will like ChatGPT. So, it will affect bottom of the barrel jobs that donโ€™t require many skills in the future, but it will not run freelancers out of business. The clients who are looking for quality will pass.

AI is against the Terms here, and more businesses are establishing similar policies.

 

 

I've received a couple of invites where the client said absolutely NO ChatGPT.  So there's that. 

Exactly. I think a market will develop for 'human-written' copy, with the selling point being 'not AI-written'. Some people might be fine reading an AI-generated novel, but others will definitely want to know it was the work of a creative human mind.

calinekohtan
Community Member

Not sure about all types of writing but definitely not impacting the research manuscript writing or grant proposal aspects. I don't see ChatGPT telling my clients if their research methodology is flawed or if their interpretation of research data is over-exaggerated or if the scientific flow logic makes sense. ChatGPT also relies on available information from internet, and is unable to come up with new ideas. You still need to feed it a prompt as an input.

This comment was posted in this thread:

"Yes, ChatGPT does plagiarize. It is against the Terms of Service to use it or any AI program in any way, including proposals."

 

Different people clearly feel differently about ChatGPT.

Clearly some people don't like it specifically, or don't like AI generally.

 

But Upwork ToS has no prohibition that I am aware of against using ChatGPT or AI.

I will search for the moderators post that ChatGPT is against the Terms.

 

If it were allowed, I wouldn't say it was not, but I need to check.

From the thread, "ChatGPT is winning Upwork jobs for me!"

 

From Valeria

"We believe that it is essential to maintaining trust between clients and freelancers that content generated by artificial intelligence is not presented as human-generated. For this reason, Upwork freelancers must disclose clearly to their client when artificial intelligence was used in creating content, including job proposals and  dash messages.

 

Additionally, when you post content on Upwork, per our Terms of Service you agree that content won't violate anyone's rights, including intellectual property rights. As the AI powering ChatGPT and other similar programs may pull from sources that may include othersโ€™ protected content, by utilizing it, you may be infringing on the copyrights of others. For this reason, we do not recommend utilizing these programs for creating content used in a proposal or in completing a job unless you are able to confirm that it is not in violation of the intellectual property rights of others.
Failure to properly disclose the use of artificial intelligence assistance in content creation may lead to temporary or permanent suspension of your Upwork account.

~ Valeria"

 

 

Using ChatGPT  and similar programs, must be disclosed, or ? I thought it was part of the Terms because you are plagiarizing and not disclosing you are using other people's writing through the program.

 

It is not recommended, unless you can prove it is not plagiarism. Plagiarism is against the Terms. How could you prove it is not plagiarism, when that is how the programs work? I understand, it's not like a cut and paste, but it's plagiarism, nonetheless. I have looked into the plagiarism detectors for AI proposals, etc. and while I see the genuine attempts to create programs that do not plagiarize, we are not there yet. To lose your account, you must violate some aspect of the Terms or extensions. This was why I said it was against the Terms, because there is no accepted AI generated texting, talking, chatting, messages, or proposals, nor AI plagiarism detectors.

 

I'm searching for another post on the same subject.

 

Real, true, AI is infinitely fascinating. I'm not anti-tech, I enjoy lots of cool stuff that is useful, handy, or just kinda cool. Programs I have seen and tried for proposals and such are horrible. However, I do understand why some freelancers will use them to pretend to be someone they are not in messaging and more.

 

Jeanne: Thank you for finding that information from the Forum Moderator and posting that here in answer to the TOS question.

c953821f
Community Member

I think it will shapeshift rather than kill. When everything comes to the robotic point, it will no longer have as demanding human resources as it used to be. It continues on its way only with those who can adapt. It's the same as robots entering factories in this industrial revolution. Those who manage to cooperate with them survive.

a5780821
Community Member

uh.. no.  Chat GPT is a 20-year-old chat bot system that's just been released to the public with the "updated" to make it more realistic.  It breaks on simple requests.  It also can't reduce factorial grammar in any decent context, which can't be noticeable.  It's only as useful as the person using it. 

hassan-monzur_al
Community Member

I agree that ChatGpt is just software and never could not be an instant human mind reader. I'm worried about the future of corporate communication if they allow ChatGpt for communication then what about the employee?

On the other hand, the next generation will not go through deep thinking to get a new method, like the previous and present generations. Not only that, they may be lost creative expertise.

 

It's really critical issue.

46692d5e
Community Member

Well this is just beginning of an era there AI or software or robotics can snatch the jobs from mouth, but thing for sure.. Is evolution is upgrading the lives and that's true... What I mean... All such al, and software still need Human to upgrade them.... Moreover giving direction to what they must print is still being guided by human only... So I don't think there is anything to worry... It is still his or her creativity and talent, what he or she would order the chat gpt.. So to get the content๐Ÿ˜Š

c_sammering
Community Member

I think ChatGTP could be a useful writer's tool for developing writing points and is unlikely to completely eradicate writers. Just as the calculator became a useful tool for mathematicians.

hassan-monzur_al
Community Member

I think ChatGTP could not be harmful to the writer. But it will help to get valuable points for writing the content.