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Re: This is truly sad...

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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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Brava @ Kim for "Upwork could choose to promote proven quality freelancers; offer incentives to successful freelancers to stay on-platform/bring in more work; use satisfied clients who pay professional rates for quality work as part of their promotion; market itself as superior to other sites because here you can find true proven professionals unlike on other platforms where it's a race to the bottom and several other things. They could have a premium side (whilst retaining lower rate projects if they wanted) and promote themselves as the only large online platform that does this. They could acknowledge that a lot of money is made from individuals with one-off projects and not everyone here is a corporation or SME and they could cater better to those individuals."

 

From your lips to decision makers' ears. If only it were so easy.

 

 

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Luce N Member Since: Oct 9, 2016
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Wendy C wrote:

Brava @ Kim for "Upwork could choose to promote proven quality freelancers; offer incentives to successful freelancers to stay on-platform/bring in more work; use satisfied clients who pay professional rates for quality work as part of their promotion; market itself as superior to other sites because here you can find true proven professionals unlike on other platforms where it's a race to the bottom and several other things. They could have a premium side (whilst retaining lower rate projects if they wanted) and promote themselves as the only large online platform that does this. They could acknowledge that a lot of money is made from individuals with one-off projects and not everyone here is a corporation or SME and they could cater better to those individuals."

 

From your lips to decision makers' ears. If only it were so easy.

 


I guess discussing about it on the forum is one of the ways we can make this idea become reality.

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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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Luce, don't hold your breathe .....    Smiley Sad

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Brandon H Member Since: Feb 17, 2019
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Luce, I was thinking of doing something similar to your original suggestion (though much more passive-aggressive) regarding hourly rates.  I've finally decided on what I think is a fair hourly rate for my services and have put it on my profile.  I hate that I have to post an hourly rate, because, for some jobs, the work involved is less strenuous than others, so a flat rate doesn't always make sense to me.  I wish UW would give me the option to at least set an hourly rate range, or just say "varies." or just let me hide it (since I pay for premium).  But my other idea was to just set my profile hourly rate to $1,000,000, and then begin every proposal with the words "I'm bidding for this job at a SUBSTANTIAL discount from my normal hourly rate..."

No, I'm not going to do it, but I did have a couple of other things I'd like to point out that are relevant to this thread:

1.  I posted a job as a client a few days ago for a marketing expert to help me with my strategy - just writing a simple report.  Believe me when I say that I am dirt-poor by U.S. standards right now, and I don't have a lot to spend, but I thought about how long it would take me to do the job that I was asking for and I offered $50.  I only got three bids on it, two were obvious pros who'd been at it for a while.  One bid my budget, and the other $62.50 (which, I would have paid if I thought he would have been that much better than the others).  Then I got another proposal from a newbie.  His cover letter was literally one sentence - "I would do this for free."

Now, me being a FL myself and believing that one should be paid for the work they do, of course I didn't accept that.  I could have sent this person a message yelling at him for offering free work, but I saw that he's literally brand new and doesn't have any work yet, and is really probably just trying to get some experience.  So, instead, I created a new, low budget job specifically for this FL that was basically asking for a MUCH simpler analysis (appropriate to what I perceived his skill level to be) for $15.  (In my offer to him I explained that he should never, ever, ever offer to do work for free)  This was last night.  When I woke up this morning, the work was in my inbox.  It was exactly what I paid for, and I gave him five stars.

I then hired the $50 bidder for the original job because I think he'll do the best job of the three of them and I want his analysis.  

 

2.  One of the jobs I was offered yesterday, from a former client, once I started to look at what would be required of me, was really not worth the budget the client had set up - for me.  That's because it was an assignment to write about political stuff I knew nothing about, and put a slightly conservative spin on it (which makes me cringe to think my name would be on it).  So, even though I know that taking that job would have helped me get my JSS score back up more quickly (repeat client), I sent a message back to the client politely explaining that, for what he's offering, I would have to do too much research to justify the project.  I also explained that the work I did for him in the past - which was similar in word count and budget - was much easier for me to write and took less time than this particular project would take for me, and respectfully asked that he keep me in mind if he has other jobs more like the ones I previously did for him.

You guys can all make of this what you will - pick apart what I did right and what I did wrong - but here's what I think I've come away with:  When you're starting out, you need to build your portfolio, and you shouldn't be paid expert rates for that  work when you haven't proven yourself an expert yet; but you should at least be paid,  for Pete's sake!  There are always going to be bottom feeders in the pond, I fear, but it's up to each of us to operate with integrity and in a manner that's consistent with our own values.  For me, for now - I feel I've settled on a fair hourly rate, and I am going to be much more selective about the jobs for which I bid.  I swear by all that is holy, though, if my JSS doesn't go back up this week after all of the work I've done lately to fix it, I'm gonna have a meltdown.  I want my Top Rated badge back, d&#n it!

Edit: Grammar Smiley Happy

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Luce N Member Since: Oct 9, 2016
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Brandon, I just love your other idea "... was to just set my profile hourly rate to $1,000,000, and then begin every proposal with the words "I'm bidding for this job at a SUBSTANTIAL discount from my normal hourly rate...". 

 

I really hope you'll get your Top Rated badge soon, but you know how strange that JSS algorythm is... no way of telling what it decides to do next! We have to be patient with that creature.

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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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Brandon, kudos to you for your honesty and integrity in your response to the past client. FWIW, I'm betting he/she appreciated it and will reach out to you in the future.  Sadly, honesty is a scarce commodity...

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Brandon H Member Since: Feb 17, 2019
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Wendy C wrote:

Brandon, kudos to you for your honesty and integrity in your response to the past client. FWIW, I'm betting he/she appreciated it and will reach out to you in the future.  Sadly, honesty is a scarce commodity...


Thanks, Wendy.  I hope so, too.  And yes, honesty is a scarce commodity.  I often don't understand why we just don't say what we mean (see my previous rants on "private feedback").  It is so much easier on everyone if you just say exactly what you expect and what you mean in professional matters.  

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Jennifer R Member Since: Sep 15, 2017
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I received an invite the other day to translate into Swedish. I decliend choosing I am not fit for the job and 2 minutes later the client invited me again asking why I declined the invitation. I explained that it was because I am no native Swedish. Her reply: Thanks for being so ethical and professional

I was smiling for the rest of the day.

 

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Roni J Member Since: Feb 23, 2019
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It is truly sad. Nevertheless this is a free market place. The best thing to do is not apply for these low rates. They will not go away since the cost of posting jobs on Upwork is probably $0.00. Simply let the market sought this out.
Upwork employs smart people and they clearly see no detriment to their platform with these types of clear low-balling job offers. Maybe they are correct in this assessment. It does make the Upwork environment seem less appealing to skilled freelancers who take pride in their work. But ultimately, this makes no difference to the bottom line of the platform. The platform is subject to algorithms and rules that play out purely deterministic results. This is simply another example.
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Geraldine F Member Since: Feb 18, 2019
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I agree and I am even more angry at those who accept to work at that rate. I often spoil my Connects to tell those slave seekers how ashamed they should be. Have you noticed ? The less they pay, the more they are exacting.....

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