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Re: Question about search algo

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Tony H Member Since: Nov 10, 2011
1 of 23

I don't understand how the search function works.As you can see, many names come up that aren;t even close to the search term and the search term is never first or even taking up the top spots. it's all mixed up with unrelated results.

 

Why? It's always been like this as far as I remember, so I'm guessing it's intentional. Just curious why though because I've found it kinda hard to use in the past when looking for specific contractors. It makes me think that all teh other algorithms likely have about the same amount of accuracy.

 

Am I just dumb, or what I am missing here?

 

 

When I log on using my client account and search for "Tony H", this is what I get:

 

Lauren Sweeney

Doug H.

Tony H. (not me)

Vishavjeet Singh

Mats H.

Tony James

Tony Gurney

Tony H. (not me)

Tony H. (not me)

Christine Miller

Tony H. (not me)

Tony Di Croce

Tony Mckever

Alexandra Pappa

 

When I search "Tony Hall", this is what I get:

 

Alexis Brumm

Tony Hall (this is me)

Tony Garth

Marianne Sundquist

Rohini K.

 

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Ela K Member Since: Feb 9, 2015
2 of 23

Tony, 

 

It's obviously all your fault.

 

Within the next few hours somebody will tell you that search results differ depending on who searches for a freelancer. The way you see yourself come up in a search is different from how it will look for a "real client". 

Because it is all tailored to everybody's needs. And you (as a client) may not need what you think you need.

 

I searched for myself when I wasn't logged in. Disappointing results. Suzanne found me on page 2. No idea why or what. Just accept it. It's you - not them.

 

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Natasha R Member Since: Aug 2, 2010
3 of 23

Woman LOLIt's obviously all your fault.

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Stephen B Member Since: Dec 4, 2012
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Come on Lauren (sorry, Tony   Man Wink  )   Just admit it....

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Suzanne N Member Since: Aug 15, 2012
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Ela,

 

I also told you that you came up on page 2 and the freelancers on page 1 all had the single skill"translation" in their skills which you did not. 

 

I only copy and pasted in that thread what Valeria had stated about the searches for each individual would be different depending on what you are searching for. I by no means know how the search engine works. I can only guess that since the freelancers that were above you in the search had translation as their main keywork that the search engine pulled up anything with translation in it, including your profile.

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Ela K Member Since: Feb 9, 2015
6 of 23

@Suzanne N wrote:

Ela,

 

I also told you that you came up on page 2 and the freelancers on page 1 all had the single skill"translation" in their skills which you did not. 

 

I only copy and pasted in that thread what Valeria had stated about the searches for each individual would be different depending on what you are searching for. I by no means know how the search engine works. I can only guess that since the freelancers that were above you in the search had translation as their main keywork that the search engine pulled up anything with translation in it, including your profile.


Suzanne, I know - and I wasn't referring to you/your post. I read that explanation provided by Valeria a few times already. And it doesn't shed light on how the search algorithm works.

 

I am not using 'translation' as a skill as I am already getting job recommendations and invites for translation jobs regarding languages I don't speak (German to Arabic, French, Albanian etc. etc.). It's too broad a term/category and there are too many translators. One would assume that the Upwork wants us to specialise - it makes matching profiles easier. The opposite seems to be true when looking at search results. That's confusing.

 

When I search for a specific term/skill (that's predefined by this platform) I would expect that term/skill to show up especially on the first page of a list of recommended freelancers. That's pretty reasonable, I think. And I would like to know why people get recommended that work in totally different fields and offer absolutely nothing even close to the skills I am searching for.

 

Or - if I search for Tony H. by name why is the first person listed a Lauren Sweeney? Followed by a Doug H.?

 

How are profiles indexed? If not by specific skills - is it categories? Past job descriptions? Titles and overviews? Employment history? A bit of everything? Where do I need to place my keywords to be found?

 

 

P.S. Just now I received an irrelevant job recommendation - the only required skill is web development. I used to work as a self-employed web designer years ago - so obviously the bot looked at my employment history as that is the only place a related experience is mentioned. It doesn't mention web development though. And I am not offering any skills related to web development either. 

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Setu M Member Since: Jan 26, 2014
7 of 23
I doubt you will get any direct or detailed response to this matter. It seems that the search algorithm is not doing its main purpose in providing relevant results.

However Upwork will probably not give anymore information in fear (real or apparent) of freelancers figuring out how to land on the first page regardless of inferior profiles or skills related to the search.

This is similar to people making their sites SEO for particular phrases in order to always land on Google's search front page, regardless if their site actually offers what you really want. Imagine actually hiring a freelancer here to make your profile always land on that first page???

Not saying search is not broken, but I can see why more information may not be forthcoming.
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Jean S Member Since: Oct 22, 2007
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I currently have a job posted and trying to FIND someone. The choices I was given were totally inappropriate and so far, after a couple of hours I still am looking. It is beyond frustrating.

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Setu M Member Since: Jan 26, 2014
9 of 23

@ Jean

 

Assuming you know the name, you can try "name" "skill" in the search. It usually works.

 

@ Ela

 

I am not defending the algorythm, I accept that it is broken. You can see from the attachment it found Ela using that principle. However the freelancer at the to had neither search words anywhre in her title. If you look at Ela's result, you clearly see that the search highlighted the words "Ela K." and "Proofreading", however she is still not the top result (or only result). So it is clearly broken.

 

Hire Ela K. Proofreading Freelancers - Upwork - Google Chrome (05-25-2015 10.01.43).png

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Ela K Member Since: Feb 9, 2015
10 of 23

@Setu M wrote:

This is similar to people making their sites SEO for particular phrases in order to always land on Google's search front page, regardless if their site actually offers what you really want. Imagine actually hiring a freelancer here to make your profile always land on that first page???

Not saying search is not broken, but I can see why more information may not be forthcoming.

Setu, I don't care about always showing up on page one. I simply want to be found for jobs that are relevant instead of receiving only irrelevant invites/recommendations.

 

 

I want to know why the people on page one don't even offer the skill I am looking for. And why people are listed that don't even work in the same field. 

 

If there is no way for me to create a profile that helps me being found by clients looking for the skills I offer I may as well just pack up and leave.

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