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Mykola A Community Member

Where clients gone?

Good luck everyone and have a great day!
I understand that those who know the answer to my question are no longer here. It's too late but I'll try. I hope that someone works in another area and can tell me about my: system administration.
This site is going down the drain and there are no more jobs. I know the reasons for what is happening and I am sure that it is irreparable. Previously I had to spend a lot of connections wading through hundreds of junk offers. Now I don't even buy connects because I have nowhere to use them. I monitoring jobs for about 16 hours a day and there is one suitable offer once a week.
I do not believe that all servers and information systems have disappeared in the world. They are, break and need settings. Where are your customers or are you currently looking for this service?
Thanks to everyone for the tips. You can in a personal message that would not violate the rules of the forum.
 
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Shadab's avatar
Shadab A Community Member

Hey Mykola,

I think one of the main reasons would be that up-work is too saturated for freelancers nowadays. and it's hard to impress clients with a glimpse

Mykola's avatar
Mykola A Community Member

I have no problem impressing. I just have no one to impress, no jobs at all. 🙂

Viacheslav's avatar
Viacheslav K Community Member

One issue might be that you repair things. Thing need to break for you to have work. Also, tech becomes better each day, so there's not as much need for fixes. Your price is pretty high as well. Maybe you should pivot into something else, like AWS, which has enough jobs.

Mykola's avatar
Mykola A Community Member

I agree with you and am constantly expanding my knowledge. I fixing everything: including AWS, Azure, GCP, Oracle cloud .. But even there it is empty. Yes, my price is not low, but my 30+ years of experience allow me to ask for and it's not expensive. The price can be discussed with the client. But there is no client, that's issue. Client gone. I want to know where.

p.s. Of course, sometime I see jobs $10 for complex problems for 3 hours. But I don't find them acceptable. And even there for 50 applications. This is crazy.

Viacheslav's avatar
Viacheslav K Community Member

You don't have AWS mentioned anywhere in the profile. There a lot of private jobs clients invite people to so you won't even see them in the feed. You should list all your skills, then people will find you more often. I've been hired more often to those jobs, than public ones.  You have advanced skill, show them off. You should mention the names of the server like AWS, Heroku, Digital ocean. People sometimes just ask for fixes on a specific host.

I'm not trying to say you should lower your rate. You are getting jobs at that price and that's awesome. I'm just stating there there might be less jobs at that rate. And not everyone likes to negotiate, they see your price and move on.

Mykola's avatar
Mykola A Community Member

Thanks for the good advice. I will pay attention to the keywords in the description. Hope this can help.

Shadab's avatar
Shadab A Community Member

I think you should start advertising more about your service on Google and youtube through ads. and also create a website and describe your services through organic SEO reach. (did you do all of this already?)

Mykola's avatar
Mykola A Community Member

No, I haven't done this before.

It was convenient for me that Upwork had a reputation as a place where you can find a high-class professional. It also handled all the chores like payments and contracts, allowing me to focus on my professional skills. Now that reputation is crumbling: a site full of scams, cheap jobs and unskilled workers.

Your comment deserves attention, thanks. My mistake was "to keep all eggs in one basket". I will work in this direction too.

Clark's avatar
Clark S Community Member

Yes, Upwork had that reputation, and it was easy to place all eggs in one basket. But I agree--advertising outside of Upwork can be beneficial.

 

Like Shadab said, you could create a website to describe your services. You can also place your Upwork profile link on your LinkedIn page or social media pages. There are millions of eyeballs on LinkedIn and other sites, and you never know when someone may run across your profile and need your services, especially a sysadmin with 25+ years of experience.

Jennifer's avatar
Jennifer M Community Member

Probs getting run off from the 50+ junk proposals. Thanks for removing the total revenue earned from client searches, Upwork. Thanks so much for that. Maybe next time give me a kiss before you bend me over.

Christine's avatar
Christine A Community Member


Jennifer M wrote:

Probs getting run off from the 50+ junk proposals. Thanks for removing the total revenue earned from client searches, Upwork. 


It seems like every change that Upwork has made lately is deliberately intended to hamper good freelancers and prop up bad ones. I understand that they need to make changes in order to become more profitable, but I don't see any sense in these decisions.

Alper's avatar
Alper D Community Member

It is a well know trick for marketplaces to gain more and more control of supply and demand so that they can monetise it. The famous dating app's revenue for the first quarter of 2023 was $441 million. And they don't event collect comissions from dates. They are just preventing great matches from finding each other so you have to constantly pay to be visible amongst the crowd and spam profiles.

Eleonora's avatar
Eleonora G Community Member


Clark's avatar
Clark S Community Member

I think the demand for systems/server admins started decreasing when the big cloud platform providers (i.e., AWS, Azure, Google, etc.) gained popularity. Each platform has been more reliable with more product offerings over the years, so businesses use everything "as-a-service" now.


I used to work with several sysadmins and their workload began to decrease as AWS and Azure grew across industry and in the government sector. Organizations still need sysadmins to tweak databases or deploy apps or other things, but several traditional sysadmin tasks have transferred to the cloud providers, and companies don't seem to need full-time sysadmins like they used to.


Cybersecurity analysts, data analysts, and info systems security specialists are more in-demand than sysadmins these days, which is a little odd since so many businesses have moved their programs and systems to the cloud, and the cloud providers handle security for the most part. But I think companies are more likely to hire a security professional than a sysadmin.

 

Upwork is a different situation, though. I think sysadmins are still relevant in the "real world." The lack of quallity jobs on Upwork is spread across many skill areas, so the low number of sysadmin jobs is probably due to other things besides low demand.

Jorge's avatar
Jorge A Community Member

Upwork is far from a perfect platform, in fact its technical systems are quite inefficient, its UI is from +10 years ago, and they operate with very few resources, and are an incredibly slow, bureaucratic and old style organization, basically a holdout from the late 00s.

But also, there is a global recession that has caused liquidity to dry at top companies.  This causes a domino effect where mid sized firms stop projects, cannot collect receivables, and where smaller entrepreneurs also are quite uncertain about where to go, specially tech sector.

 

This began in May 2022, and by October work simply began to dry out as economic activity worldwide slowed down, and by now we are actually entering a deflationary environment as money flows to treasuries, real estate and hiring are completely froze, etc.  This will go on at least until fall and likely until next spring.

 

So yes Upwork is far from a good platform, in fact it is minimally useful, but, but it works for side income and you can have some good months a year  My main clients they all tell the same, last year they could not close any big deal and money is not flowing.   Until the US Fed pauses rate hikes, and until they announce they will begin to cut rates, we can expect work to be slow, slow.

 

Lastly for Upwork jobs, AI impact is yet to be seen except for very simple design jobs.  The great majority of human beings can barely write five paragraphs in grammatically correct language (including political leaders, managers, corporate vice-presidents, etc), so most of humans simply lack the abstract thinking, cognitive abilities and language skills to train any AI tool. 

 

Quality project managers and developers will take years to train the platforms needed until they can launch human resources-as a service, lawyer-as a service, compliance team-as a service, etc. AI will replace at least a third of all jobs worldwide, but such development will take several years and hundreds of billions in investment.  Right now companies are cutting costs and payroll, and any reputable developer firm will charge millions to develop a custom solution to train, implement, test and deliver something that can replace humans effectively.  But, it will happen within 5 years for many white collar jobs, that is a certainty.

 

For logos, small videos, copywriting, yes AI has essentially turned the market upside down.  But as for the average client, does it know if the work output is really useful?  Is it even correct?  Does the app, code, document will hold up to scrutiny?  That is where a professional freelancer enters, and while some clients will tell “use AI get this done in an hour just get the correct output”, quality clients will always prefer quality job output.

 

Except if you sell cheap simple logos, in which case, yes, you are out.

Carlos Miguel's avatar
Carlos Miguel A Community Member

Maybe Upwork is too saturated for freelancers 

Emmanuel's avatar
Emmanuel N Community Member

Not only that, it is also saturated with clients who are not interested to elaborate on their jobs.

 

A client will post a job , leave and come back in an hour, once he comes online, the first person he interviews, he will expect to hear, yes i can do it perfectly, you can hire... If they hear , i have a question on this or that, they ignore and move over to the next person.

 

After hiring wrongly and getting a terrible experience they will come here in the forum or wherever and be complaining...

 

It baffles me why someone can't pick a good freelancer, focus on the person and give them every information they need... Why jumping around messaging 3-6 freelancers for a job you will hire only one .. It's just crazy

Klein's avatar
Klein B Community Member

Just stopping by to say that I agree.

Débora's avatar
Débora F Community Member

Upwork has changed, there are fewer invitations and fewer jobs, a lot of new freelancers, more connects required to apply, a lot of SCAMMERS, and even when you flag them, Upwork is not helping.

It seems that Upwork is doing its business selling connects, that's why there are jobs that require 16 connects and they allow people to boost their bids with 50 connects or more (especially the new freelancers), and they keep the scam jobs until people post their bids…using connects, of course.

Maybe if Upwork will not earn extra-money from us, will decide to control the platform and check the clients before they post jobs.

Marjan's avatar
Marjan K Community Member

Clients gone, Fake jobs everywhere , connects expensive and useless.

Karl's avatar
Karl M Community Member

Upwork has been great for me up until the past 6 months.  Can't get paid from my client who is willing to pay but a bug in the Upwork platform is preventing it.  The heelp desk is worthless and they gave me a workaround that did not work.  I'm still trying to get paid $1,500 for a project I completed 2 months ago.  Payment protection did not apply in my situation because their working on this bug.  I think Upwork is strugling.  

 

Not getting invites like before (1-2 /week) and I don't see any postings for my expertise anymore.  I know  a few clients who have ditched Upwork with great frustration.  My current client cannot pay me because of a bug in the escrow process.  I'm sure they will not return either.  

 

I update my help request daily because the status keeps changing to "Resolved" and the Help team admits it is not resolved.

 

Frustrating!

 

Karl