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dbogan
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Low Pay for High Quality

I would really like to know from odesk CLIENTS what the method to the madness is for requesting (demanding/requesting) high quality content for ridiculously low rates - like offering $5.00 for a 500-word article, blog post, etc. That's 1 penny per word. REALLY? And you expect a writer to put together just the right words to convey your message, sell your product/service, and those words must be spelled correctly and used correctly, and the level of expertise must be "Expert"? A rate of a penny per word is insulting to any experienced, "Expert" writer. Surely, you've learned that "you get what you pay for" - or NOT. If you are truly serious about attracting the best/expert writers to represent your company/product/service/brand, you need to offer rates that are commensurate with the level of expertise you expect. JMHO.
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made217
Member

I have to ask: What is wrong with the standard setters at Upwork? Give us 60 Connects that we have to make last through a month when you charge at least 2 Connects per job application? Usually, all those Connects are gone by the 10th of the month, and that’s just for applying for voice jobs I feel I would do a good job at and that pay fairly decent.

Oh, and the pay thing here is absolutely horrible along the lines of any agency’s standards. Like this job: **Edited for Community Guidelines**

And, unfortunately, there are WAY too many jobs like this posted on Upwork. This is a terrible shame. This job poster offers a voice over artist $5, yes, a whole $5, to record about 15 minutes of audio. And this poster Is looking for a fairly professional VO artist to do it.

Are you freaking kidding me?

How can you people at Upwork actually LET this poster advertise for such a ridiculously low-paying, time-taking job? Would ANYBODY at Upwork spend 15 or so minutes recording something that someone – not a good friend or acquaintance -- gave you and edit it and send it to them for a paid job of $5? And let’s not forget the fee that Upwork charges for this. So you would actually get about what? $4?? Oh, even better.

There has got to be some standard you guys set. Some of these horrible-paying jobs are classified as for “Experts.” Stop it!! Just stop it!! The overall professionalism at Upwork is greatly affected by things like this. ANY voice over job should be no less than $50. I don’t even like to turn on my recording equipment for anything less than $30, but sometimes I will, depending on the job.

You Upwork people need to get together and really figure out the Connects situation and stop charging so many of them for low-paying jobs.  Set a minimum budget amount for all jobs, say at least $50. Seriously, if clients have a business, they can afford at least that. Don’t let posters call their jobs “Expert” when it’s low-paying. “Expert” to me means about $400 for a one-minute recording. Otherwise, do NOT label it as “Expert.”

Without some standards, you guys are actually worse now than Freelancer, and they are pretty bad on a lot of levels. The merger of you guys and Elance has not been a good one at all, in my opinion. Things were much better for both of you when you worked as separate entities. You actually both had some standards back then.

Seriously.  Make some refinements to these postings or your total credibility will be in the mud.

I will probably also post this in your Community area to see what others think. I am really bothered by the way your site is operating now. Change, good for once, needs to happen.

Rick Madewell

Voice over artist

re: “Expert” to me means about $400 for a one-minute recording. Otherwise, do NOT label it as “Expert.”

 

Your plea is clearly well-intentioned.

 

But you're not the only person using Upwork, and your niche is a relatively small niche within the Upwork marketplace. It can't be applied to everybody.

cowgill-sarah
Member

I submitted a proposal to a high level University that listed their rates at $$$. Perfect subject for me. It entailed 15-20 pages, was research and citing intensive, and they wanted to pay $10 --not an hour -- per paper.  Of course I was contacted immediately and asked if that $300 bid was for JUST ONE PAPER?! Or for the 30 -50 they needed. 

 

I'm an expert, and I set a fair price. I think the client fainted.

I think the question you may want to ask yourself is why would a high-level university be soliciting academic papers? And if they were, wouldn't they know the going rate for real academic work? 

I agree with that assessment. It was billed as a new module for a foreign visiting professor...Shame on me!

Well, at least they tried to be creative- plausible deniability.

theseamoose
Member

What makes me most angry is clients that ignore the amount you have put in your bid. I've just wasted a considerable amount of time with a potential client who asked for bids for 400-500 word blogs. I bid $25 as that is my absolute bottom line and the conversation started. The client went into great lengths about the 1,000 word top-ten lists he wanted writing and how they needed uploading into WordPress with appropriate image and pagination. I smelled a rat when he said that he couldn't create the job and upload payment into Escrow for a few days, so I enquired EXACTLY how much he would be paying for these 400-500 word articles that had now become 1,000 words. The guy came bacl saying he paid $10 for these 1,000 word pieces, so you can imagine how quickly I wished him well and ended contact.

 

Why on earth would someone expect you to create 1,000 word articles in WordPress with images and pagination for $10 when you've already bid $25 for a 450 word blog?????

You know what really grinds my gears? Projects that say, "Normally I can do this in one hour, so I will only pay you $x to do this and you have only one hour."  I'm sorry, but if that's all it takes, you should just do it yourself in the time it took to list this PoS project you cheapo summabish.

artnano
Member

Hello!, I am new on upwork and I saw some proposal for $5, it discourage me at first because some people do accept to work at this rate. But I just scroll down to look for other opportunities 🙂

 

 

The "market" is flooded with people who are bound by their culture to say "yes Sir I can do it" even if they can't. That's why on a $5 budget project you will see many applicants, even if the work deserves at least $200. From June, only those will remain here.

What do you mean about June? You mean the change in the Upwork commissions?

Spot on Daniel. There are many people from low-wage countries that say "yes I can" to everything, even though they lack any qualification, expertise or knowledge on the subject. So yes, the client gets his $5 freelancer. But also a poor end result, a bad experience and a lack of interest to work on the Upwork platform again. 

romen
Member

This is a great post. Many clients just looks for quality works with undoubtedly offering the mimimum amount which ideally should not be the case. Quality works need experts and an expert has to be paid reasonable good whatever is in the market rate. Upwork is a global platform, and clients should keep in mind that they can get best resouces who are independent and excels in what they do.

 

Thank you for your post because I have seen such clients post many times with just 10$ and do their job done which will take 10 hours to complete. Does that freelancer who is going to work deserve just 10$ for 10 hours of investment and his/her expertise.

 

 

Best Regards

Romen


@S Romen K wrote:

Does that freelancer who is going to work deserve just 10$ for 10 hours of investment and his/her expertise.

 


If a freelancer willingly decides to charge $10 for 10 hours of work, he or she deserves exactly that amount of money.

 

And the client deserves the outcoming result.

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"Where darkness shines like dazzling light"   —William Ashbless

re: "There are many people from low-wage countries that say 'yes I can' to everything, even though they lack any qualification, expertise or knowledge on the subject."

 

Ugh. I can't stand these types, regardless of what country they come from. They really are pests.

 

Unfortunately, I think there's a mindset prevalent among a certain subset of contractors on Upwork that makes them actually think that they can do any job posted on Upwork. They think that whatever they're hired to do, they can just "google it" to look up stuff that they can download and pass off as their own work, or look up how to do things that they don't already know how to do.

 

That mentality is really the opposite of what Upwork is all about.

yandanima
Member

It is simply funny how some people offer as low as 5 dollars for quality work on upwork, haven't spent over 200k USD in the past 10 years in training as a cardiologist. It's better I go do some charity work in my community than to spend countless hours **Edited for Community Guidelines** for some crazy client.  


@Isaac G wrote:

It is simply funny how some people offer as low as 5 dollars for quality work on upwork, haven't spent over 200k USD in the past 10 years in training as a cardiologist. It's better I go do some charity work in my community than to spend countless hours slaving for some crazy client.  


 Isaac,

 

I fully agree.

 

I was recently invited to apply for a job.

It turned out that the client had used 4-6 entry level freelancers for a very important piece of work, inevitably she got mixed results.

 

At 10pm on a Sunday night with her hair on fire, she panicked and tried to get her task completed successfully using more experienced freelancers. Deadline of Monday morning.

 

The work at this point was confusing with various levels of success, it would have taken me longer to figure out the mess than she was offering for hours --3 hours!!, not only that her communications were so manic it was impossible to keep up.

 

I proposed $20 per hour,  She offered $15

 

I declined.

 

As i went to bed I didn't feel sorry for her, some clients want expert level work but hire entry level becaus of the profit margin. 

 

Eventually it will come back and bite them in the ass, sooner or later.

 

 

 

 

Good, that serves her right.

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