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soniakash77
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Is that connects are incresed to 16 to 19 connect

I have recently seem that my proposal are about to 19 connect is that true? 

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Stockpiling takes months - Upwork gives only 10 free connects per month. Is there any evidence those 20-50 proposals in the first 3-5 minutes (especially the top 3 boosted ones) are real.


Yes, I think they're real, although a lot of them are bots. The problem is that dishonest freelancers keep starting new accounts over and over again just to get free connects. Upwork needs to stop giving out any free connects in order to address this problem.

 


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and not just an attempt to make the illusion how many people are desperately willing to spend dozens or even hundreds of connects on every job post?


People ARE desperate and are bidding on every job they see; it's not an illusion. This website - and every other freelancing website - is absolutely saturated with freelancers who are competing for a relatively tiny number of jobs. I've seen people saying that they're spending hundreds of dollars each month on connects and boosting. If connects were cheaper (or Upwork gave out more free connects) the amount of proposals on every job would go up even more. 

I am thinking same...and it might be illusion....I can confirm and when I know it's illusion!? When my client said no one applied in his job only me is there I said when I applied there are already 3 person apply and on job post also showing 5 to 10 after applied by me but fact is he said no, no one applied in his job only me and he hired this I know during our discussion so obviously those 50 boosted, 37 boosted, 25 boosted are not real 

So my suspicion might actually be true .... If these 20-50 or even more proposals are real but come from bots - then the solution is to prevent bots rather than increasing the required connects for applying to a job.

 

I was under the impression that every freelancer's account goes through a KYC (know your customer) checking and verification in order to prevent money laundering. If we can create infinite number of new accounts and apply to hundreds of jobs - increasing the number of required connects can not prevent it in any way, it can simply make it more expensive.

 

Now imagine a situation where one or more ransomware hacker groups decide to invest the ransom(s) they have gotten from multiple victims and feed their bots with huge amount of money. The money is cheap for them - in the end it's just someone else's ransom.

Can you imagine something like this? Because I would not wonder if it is even partially true.

 


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I was under the impression that every freelancer's account goes through a KYC (know your customer) checking and verification in order to prevent money laundering. If we can create infinite number of new accounts and apply to hundreds of jobs - increasing the number of required connects can not prevent it in any way, it can simply make it more expensive.


Where did you get the impression that freelancer accounts are vetted in any way? You don't have to do any kind of verification until you make some money, and even then, it's easy to fake. And no, increasing the connect requirements won't prevent this, but if Upwork stopped giving free connects to new accounts, there'd be no incentive to keep creating new ones.

 

In any case, Upwork didn't increase the connect requirements for any reason other than to make more money. 

ca32ac65
Community Member

Your suspicions are valid, and it's true that preventing bots is a crucial aspect of maintaining the integrity of platforms like Upwork. While requiring connects for applying to jobs can serve as a barrier, it's not foolproof against sophisticated bots or malicious actors who may be willing to invest in circumventing such measures.

KYC (Know Your Customer) checks are indeed important for preventing money laundering and ensuring the legitimacy of users on the platform. However, even with KYC processes in place, determined individuals or groups may still find ways to create multiple accounts or employ bots to manipulate the system.

The scenario you mentioned, where ransomware hacker groups invest their ill-gotten gains into feeding bots to apply to jobs on freelancing platforms, is not entirely far-fetched. While it's difficult to estimate the likelihood of such a scenario, it's certainly a possibility that platforms like Upwork need to be vigilant about.

To address these concerns, platforms like Upwork continuously work on improving their security measures, including implementing advanced fraud detection algorithms, enhancing account verification processes, and actively monitoring for suspicious activity. However, staying ahead of determined malicious actors is an ongoing challenge in the realm of online platforms and marketplaces.


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I am thinking same...and it might be illusion....I can confirm and when I know it's illusion!? When my client said no one applied in his job only me is there I said when I applied there are already 3 person apply and on job post also showing 5 to 10 after applied by me but fact is he said no, no one applied in his job only me and he hired this I know during our discussion so obviously those 50 boosted, 37 boosted, 25 boosted are not real 


I think that your client must have been mistaken. What are the odds that only one person applied to a job here? If this is the only example you have, it's not very good evidence.

You can purchase connects and use to boost proposals.

Is there evidence they are not real?

tjmisny
Community Member

When I post as a client, I often get 20-50 applications, but the majority are from unproven Freelancers who do not have a JSS or any earnings and a larger percentage are people who can't speak the language of my posting (English) even though I've requested fluent speakers.  

Today I saw 23 connects

 

You're spot on! Upwork, like any platform, operates within the principles of supply and demand. When they increase their prices, they're essentially testing the market to see how much freelancers are willing to pay for the services they offer. If most freelancers continue to use the platform despite the price increase, it indicates that the value they perceive from Upwork outweighs the higher fees.

malekkhalid
Community Member

We should stop using Upwork for atleast a week. This is the best way to teach them. If we will not apply to any jobs for a week just do the math how much they loss.

People are still boosting on jobs.... People are still busy spending beyond the increased connects. Hahaha... The funny thing is even if Upwork makes it 30 connects to apply to jobs people will still apply and naughty ones will still boost for 35 or 40.... The amount of freelancers on Upwork makes it very attractive to exploit them... Upwork is quite slow in increasing prices to be fair... Some certain people running same business with this number would be charging close to that 30 connects per application and be draining their users to the bone

We should stop using Casino Upwork until changes are made! 

Recently I cancelled Upwork Plus and stopped boosting posts.  I'm done giving extra funds to this casino until management listens to our concerns and constructive criticism on how to grow this platform for everyone (not just the shareholders).  

malekkhalid
Community Member

I just want to know the reason behind increasing connects for applying from 16 to 19. Do this help us in anyway? Why Upwork increasing the connects to apply to job post most often? This is a new way to earn from freelancers?

It is simple: them need more money with no additional effort. 😸

And what about talent they are rethinking to apply on job and actual talent don't meet client only boosted proposals and clients think not skill talent on Upwork and they close job 

Ultimately, the decision to increase the number of connects required for applying to job posts is likely driven by a combination of factors, including improving the quality of proposals, managing the volume of applications, and maintaining the overall health of the Upwork marketplace. While it may present an additional cost for freelancers, it could also lead to a more balanced and efficient marketplace in the long run.

Ultimately, this is not what is happening. The reason is that Upwork used to be an organic community, still a high percentage of it built by humans (not AI), and that is why the following is happening: no matter how many connects are imposed to be required to send a proposal, the quality of job posts dropped so much (they are not real or they are real but never result in hiring), so overall Upwork's health has very serious issues right now.

 

If Upwork is trying to sustain its health by injecting a higher dosage of its connect-vaccine it doesn't work. What is achieved is poisoning that "organism" further, which will eventually lead to its full self-extinction...

And no surety for proposal seen, interview and might possible scammer as well

avishekbhardwaj4
Community Member

Well ... very sad to see unexpected changes ... those days is not far when upwork will dying for customer .. unexpected changes in connect charges .. expensive connect .. now they increase 19 connect for a project .. well discussing here is like watching growing grass in my garden 

I think they are doing this to get scammers out of Upwork

The chosen method for this cleanup is not effective - scammers spend money until a client catches on them. Then they restore the spending and even accumulate some for future spending.

Vaguely translating a wisdom - it's like drilling the eye instead of just placing a makeup.

orina1013
Community Member

the connect is so expensive ,and we have to spend more and more money to buy it for proposal. If platform has some principle for define connects number? or it's only been decided by clients?

Clients generally do not know about conects and that freelancers spend money. Therefore, they do not bother and abandon the work without even reading the proposals.

parag2pratim
Community Member

So the connects required to bid has again gone up? Intially it was either 16 or 8 connects and now it has gone up to 17 and 9 connects. Isn't this going a bit too fast, no intimation or emails or notifications

 

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Agreed. Connects are getting up and jobs are getting low

05886177
Community Member

The rising cost of Upwork's connects system is becoming increasingly burdensome for freelancers. The 150% increase means it now costs an average of 13 to 19 connects just to apply for a single job, which is unsustainable.

Upwork seems focused solely on its own profits. It demands that struggling freelancers purchase expensive connects, then charges high commissions and fees on top of that. Freelancers who are actively seeking work often lack the funds to keep up, and Upwork's pricing model creates a significant barrier to their success.

05886177
Community Member

Yes , its insane .... 19 connects to apply 

jvbonzi
Community Member

It seems like Upwork is aiming to build a community of experienced professionals only and may be prioritizing their growth over newcomers.

This shift would purposefully make it challenging for newcomers to establish themselves and make them quit.

Additionally, they seem to be concentrating more on catering to larger enterprises rather than smaller projects.

That could explain some things..

motoyen
Community Member

How is this possible though is the quality of the jobs are still low? Experienced professionals are not going to hang around if they can't get good quality work. I would wager that a large majority of jobs that are posted on Upwork go unfulfilled just due to the fact that the employer doesn't even return to the platform to check the proposals. 

Yeah observe that too

crart
Community Member

There is great imbalance in many things going on in UW (it's more DownWork for a long time) right now. First, management being disconnected from logic and incapable of projecting their chaotic actions into the future, to find what consequences they may have. They believe having gazillion of unskilled wannabes paying them money for connects is going to sustain the platform. In a short run, couple of months, perhaps. In a long run, reputation is more important since you can lose it with a blink of the eye and regaining it takes time. UW already lost its reputation as a professional platform but they don't show any incentive to regain it. Hysterical moves like upping connects amount, raising fees here and there, manipulating the numbers, opening gates to everyone and their mom, going silent on fraud and scam reports, catering to AI nonsense, all of this only gets them deeper in the mud but they don't seem to be capable of any mental effort to alleviate the damage they already did to the community and themselves.
Real clients, in real need of real freelancers, are fleeing because quality is not something appreciated here. Quality costs and real clients know it, but they are being bombarded with irrelevant spam from kids so they (clients) simply don't see this platform feasible anymore and choose to leave this mental desert. Low quality, low effort, artificial nonsense literally killed good name of the platform and removed any chance to raise it to any standards. But then again, today world has no standards other than training monkeys to consume more nonsense so that rich monkeys can eat more bananas, so I have no faith anything changes.

spectralua
Community Member

In any case, the idea of hitting the jackpot here and now was correct. Moreover, it works for 2 years. I assumed it would fall apart within a year.

Yes, the reputation is destroyed, there are no prospects, but huge amounts of money continue to flow into their pockets.
48f850a0
Community Member

Some people will say Upwork increases the connects to reduce applications on jobs but this isn't true .... If anything anytime there's an increase in amount of connects for application, the number of people applying even gets much more .... The only goal of the increase is for profit which isn't bad...

 

What is bad is that most Clients post one thing and mean another or in simpler terms, most jobs aren't clear from the post itself and need further discussion with the client, now to even ask a question you must spend connects and IF the client does reply you and you figure out you can't do the job, you get nothing back, no benefits for even trying to know their need .. Upwork used to give back connects for interviews which they no longer do .... The way the system is currently set up isn't proper..  bring back refund of connects on interview and also stop allowing new freelancer profiles on Upwork if you really want to reduce applications on jobs. We all know even if you make it 100 connects to apply, people will still apply, because most people work full time on Upwork, there's no excuse for increasing prices other than money .

If you talk to freelancers, or even read through the forum you will find experienced freelancers, some who have made considerable amounts of money, are leaving or have left Upwork. Once Upwork removed all category and platform limits and tests, the platform became flooded, and the handwriting was on the wall.

 

Upwork wants freelancers to be employees, but without the benefits or taxes, etc. Only with millions of freelancers throwing connects at any job, and boosting like mad, does Upwork have an income.

 

Actually, in some ways, people feel the newcomers are given an advantage.

 

Upwork is the one who has the advantage.

Agree, I have seen that as well. Upwork isn't going to change things, except to increase the number of connects to apply for projects in the next 2 to 4 weeks. 

axentrix
Community Member

In UX/UI design category there are boosted bids of 150-180 connects in the massacre for the top 3 positions. 17-19 connects are nothing. Whether 16 or 19, your proposal will most probably stay unnoticed unless you spend 50+ tokens.

 

Job posts (not actual jobs, just job posts!!!) that seem elite and promising receive bids with hundreds of connects, usually starting from 50! 

The increase is not the worst thing to happen though. It is the flood of fixed-price $5 job posts, $3-per-hour jobs (I guess people hiring themselves to write reviews for themselves) and the lack of serious, normal, intelligent, ethical clients with serious and normal job offers. 

I will not leave. I will sit and watch the endgame because I think this is all about real people, not legal entities or agencies, just people -  freelancers - who will eventually react and show the real power of Connect-ivity 🙂 

One lowballer in my feed is recognizable: he writes in the same style and puts a signature. So all his works cost 3-5 dollars. A ten would be enough for him to cheat. Alas, this is not a fake review, this is current Upwork reality.

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