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What's wrong with the quality of jobs on this platform?

tlsanders
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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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@Wendy C wrote:

Teresa, I'm kind of thinking aloud here but what reputable organizations / forums / discussion boards, etc. are there for cyber security?  Participating on one or two will def. lead to contacts and they all need newsletters; white papers; PR, possibly collateral materials and so forth ....


LinkedIn groups can be a great source for this sort of niche connections. 

colettelewis
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Nichola L Member Since: Mar 13, 2015
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It's the old saw of eggs and baskets.

 

There was a certain insurance company some thirty years ago, who tempted thousands of people (internationally) to put all their eggs into their basket, with the blithe assurance that they would be protected and gain mega bucks on their investments for the rest of their lives.

 

For a while these people lived off the hog's back and then  there were some major natural disasters and (hidden) ecological catastrophes that put paid to the stay-rich dreams of their investors. Thousands of people were bankrupted and others impoverished.

 

It is never a good idea to put total trust into any one corpôration. Especially if the money (or skills) belongs to you.

petra_r
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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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@Nichola L wrote:

It's the old saw of eggs and baskets.

 

It is never a good idea to put total trust into any one corpôration. Especiallhy if the money (or skills) belongs to you.


 Nichola, you are, of course, absolutely and 100% right.

 

It is a bit of a catch 22 situation for me. I of course KNOW that it would be wise to spread my risk a little, but I literally do not have time...

 

I take on more work than I should as it is. If I went elsewhere in addition to that I could be back to where I was last winter when I was averaging 60+ hours a week. I am proud to have reduced it to around 50ish (although year on year I am still running at 55+ and have been at 50+ for at least 3 years.)

 

In the unlikely event that there suddenly was no Upwork anymore my main clients would still hang on to me anyway, so I guess I am just feeling safe enough to not waste / spend time and effort elsewhere.

petra_r
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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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@Wendy C wrote:

Petra, you certainly do not rely on U only ..... do you??


 I do and have done for 3 and a half years.

iaabraham
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Isabelle Anne A Member Since: May 19, 2014
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@Wendy C wrote:

Petra, you certainly do not rely on U only ..... do you??


I do too... partly because Upwork's what led me to freelancing. 

 

I'm slowly working on getting off the platform, but have come across some obstacles. For starters, it's a mission to get a credit card here, which I need because it's otherwise very difficult to get payments in this country. So far I've been relying on Upwork's wire transfers. 

 

Once I do get the card, however, I'm not sure where to begin when marketing myself off-patform Smiley Sad So in the meantime, even though it's risky, Upwork is my only income source.

tlsanders
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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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Teresa, I don't want to argue with you, but I also don't want to leave you with that notion. I've been making my living in whole or part as a writer for 20+ years, and I have many friends in the industry. Up until about two years ago, I'd held my rate at about $40/hour for a long time, and the colleagues I'm close with were forever pushing me to increase that as most of them were billing $60-75/hour and one of them just over $100.

 

I've also been in the position of hiring writers for two different corporations, and the absolute lowest rate I ever paid, when I was hiring for high-volume work where posts were live for a short time and I was relying on brand new writers (many of them college students) was $25 for posts of about 500 words that required no research.

 

I feel like there's something wrong in your approach or the outlets where you're seeking work. I'm not saying that to put you down, but because I know (as others in this thread have affirmed, as well as my offline colleagues) that you can make a good living in this industry.

 

I'm a single parent who never received child support and limited my work hours to 25-30/week for years while I was home schooling. I have an $800 dog, my daughter had a voice coach and we spend 1-3 weeks at the ocean every other year. I promise there is money there that you just haven't found the right bridge to. 

tlbp
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Tonya P Member Since: Nov 26, 2015
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For other copywriters: I don't make or charge as much as Tiffany- but I'm also not full time. I've been in the game for less than a year. I am not yet at full premium rates but headed that way. I came to freelancing with pre-existing writing skills though. 

 

On occasion, I have to put up the "not available" sign here on Upwork. So, it can be a lucrative venue. However, I also don't recommend relying solely on Upwork or any other revenue stream.

 

Freelancing, IMO, is as much about sales and business management as it is your underlying skill. 

wendy_writes
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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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Food for thought -

 

Job invites that are not selected individually by the buyer are selected by U's rather bizarre and wacky algorithm. This means a lot of the 'invites' under discussion in this thread (and many others) are not really invitations as the word is commonly used.

 

What they are is an attempt by U. to trigger some interest in a job.

 

Yep, it takes a second to decline the pesky nuisances but there isn't much to be done about it unless / until the algorithms set sorted properly.

 

 

 

kochubei_valeria
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Valeria K Community Manager Member Since: Mar 6, 2014
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@Wendy C wrote:

Food for thought -

 

Job invites that are not selected individually by the buyer are selected by U's rather bizarre and wacky algorithm. This means a lot of the 'invites' under discussion in this thread (and many others) are not really invitations as the word is commonly used.

  

 


 Wendy, I would like to clarify that all invites are sent by clients themselves with an exception of those that are sent by Upwork Talent Specialists or recruiters. Invites are never sent by an algorithm.

You may be referring to recommendations, but the client still has to click the button to invite a recommended freelancer.

~ Valeria
Upwork
wendy_writes
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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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YAH Ela!!!!  I think you perfectly described the crux of the matter -

 

".... the "richest markets" are mainly looking for native English copywriters, editors, proofreaders etc.

I target different clients, as does Margarete. 

 

Does anybody (of the people doing so well) offer their main service(s) in a language that's not English?

 

Of the ones who do, do you charge more than approx. $30/hour? Or have succesfully charged more than $65/hour in the past?

 

Just because you are not experiencing the same issues doesn't mean they don't exist. Especially not if we are operating in different segments of this seemingly global market."

 

We all might be lumped in one cat - but we have vastly different skills. And face grossly dfferent problems.  I am, sadly, proficient on one language only and can only speak from that perspective. 

 

1. It seems to me that the ability to localize a language would be darn near invaluable to some clients - esp. larger ones. Translation, per se, is a crock of y'all know what. Just ask Google ....

 

2. Successful writing - be it journalistic / PR / Sales /Storytelling, etc. depends entirely on the ability to put effective words on paper.  And those words have multiple shades of meaning contingent on the language, dialect, and vehicle being used to convey them.

 

For all my translator / writer pals - I do agree you might be getting short changed simply because buyers don't have am adequate - let alone comprehensive - understanding of the real value you bring to the table.

 

Anyone who argues doesn't know what the heck they are talking about .....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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