should i bill my client

14f3cf8b · ‎09-05-2018

i have read the questions about french auto-entrepreneur

but i did'nt realy understand you're answers

should i bill my client only the money i earn and not with the up work fee taxes ?

so can i have a bill for the upwork fee ? and vat

because i should have a quiet good tracking between my bill and declaration of money earning

: i didn't understand the billing method on up work

: i should ask the client his billing details ?

so first we come on upwork thinking this will be verry simple but it is not because the vat number (in my case i ddi'nt find for a french customer why he is ask me vat intercommunautire if we are in the same country .. )

14f3cf8b · ‎09-05-2018

thisi s the answer i find : so should i send i privat billing to client or upwork do it ?

I "get around" the difference between the amount the client is billed and the amount that is transferred to my local bank account by issuing my invoices for the amount the client is billed. I then register the service fee as a business expense. Upwork issues adequate invoices to freelancers for the service fee that we pay.

If it helps, I consider Upwork's payment system to be a US dollar "bank" account in my name. The total amount the client pays is registered as earnings into my "foriegn currency account" and the service fee is registered as a payment from that account. When I withdraw money from Upwork I register it as a transfer between two bank accounts.'

g_vasilevski · ‎09-05-2018

Hi Verdelet,

I`m not sure on what questions you`re referring to, can you share more details about that?

When you agree your budget with your client the fee will be deducted on the full agreed amount or the hours tracked on your contract.

An invoice will be created for this and if you have added your VAT number on your account you will also have an invoice for your VAT as well.

The billing method is for clients to pay freelancers, for freelancers you will need to set up a payment method.

You should not ask your clients for private details as even if your clients has asked you for private information your not obligated to provide them with.
If you have any additional questions feel free to post them here, thank you.

~ Goran

14f3cf8b · ‎09-05-2018

thanks goran

i'am ok with all this techincal aspect

so could i respons my clienjt : 'if your clients has asked you for private information your not obligated to provide them with.'

they are ask me my european vat

so if don't need do send bill to the client : if up work who make the bill for me... i'am quiet lost with how to put the fee in my own omptability (diference between the bill ans the income due to the fee..

g_vasilevski · ‎09-05-2018

Hi Verdelet,

Unfortunately I can`t advise how to respond to your client but I can confirm that you`re not obligated to provide any private information about yourself to your clients.

If your client needs help with something about the invoices or has any issues about reporting their please advise them to reach out to our customer support directly and our team will assist them with this. Thank you.

~ Goran

colettelewis · ‎09-05-2018

@Goran V wrote:
Hi Verdelet,

Unfortunately I can`t advise how to respond to your client but I can confirm that you`re not obligated to provide any private information about yourself to your clients.
If your client needs help with something about the invoices or has any issues about reporting their please advise them to reach out to our customer support directly and our team will assist them with this. Thank you.

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Goran,

It is part of EU regulations that autoentrepreneurs in France provide a VAT number to clients in other EU countries. All the OP has to do is to apply through his tax office for this type of VAT number, which will not in any way affect his status as an autoentrepreneur in France. He will in effect have two numbers one which he would use for domestic clients, which is not a VAT number, and one that he would use, if required, for clients in other EU countries. This is a VAT number and is also valid on Upwork if the OP wishes to use it.

If his client has requested the VAT number, then an autoentrepreneur is obliged to share it. This is not giving away any personal details, but clients need it for their own tax purposes. I have recently had to do this for a Spanish client on Upwork.

g_vasilevski · ‎09-05-2018

Thank you for the details Nichola,

Verdelet

In this case I would recommend to advise yourself with a local tax specialist and respond to your client request after you have received a professional advise.

If you add your VAT to your Upwork account it will be listed on all invoices, to learn more about this you can check out our guide in this Help Article as well. Thank you.

~ Goran