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Mark B Community Member

The hiring process is broken.

For 4 years, I have been a loyal Upwork client.  I've spent $143k on Upwork in the past 18 months (client feedback score of 4.99, currently have 12 open contracts).

 

That said, I will not be using Upwork to fill the next job opening in my company.  The process of finding and interviewing quality applicants is simply too time-consuming and difficult, and every time I post a job it seems that the entire UX has been completely overhauled (usually making the process more confusing and difficult). 

 

Here are some of the issues I have experienced in the past 48 hours while trying to fill a part-time customer service position:

 

1.)  I specified the required qualifications for this position (ie. at least 1 hour billed on Upwork, feedback score of 90%+, etc) but this makes zero difference to who applies for a job, since there's no way to specify mandatory qualifications (and disallow applications from unqualified freelancers).

 

2.)  The default sort order for the applicants list is "Upwork Recommended", which is completely useless as the "recommended" applicants are very often totally unqualified for the position.  For instance, in my recent Customer Support job post, I required applicants to meet the following qualifications: "Must be a native English speaker", "freelancers only (no agencies)," "job score 90% or better," located in "East Asia," with "at least 1 hour billed".... one of the first Recommended Freelancers in the list of applicants is an agency specializing in "OpenCart Technology" based in India with no hours billed, no feedback score, and an application letter written by someone who clearly speaks almost no English..... in other words, Upwork's top recommendations for this position include an applicant who meets 0 of the job requirements specified.  

 

3.)  There is no way to filter the list of applicants, except for the option to show only shortlisted candidates... why can't I filter the list to show only those who meet X requirement?  How hard could that POSSIBLY be to implement? 

 

4.)  I have to hit "show more" to see more than a handful of applicants at once... why?  If I accidentally click the back button in my browser, the list re-sets and I have to click the "see more" button 12 times to get back to where I was previously.  Why can't I simply check an option to display all applicants on one page?

 

5.)  The applicants list is just completely broken.  Many times, an 'archived' applicant shows in the main list, even though clicking on their application to open it in a popup window shows their application status as "archived".  The number of "new applications" changes constantly every time it's refreshed, sometimes showing 15 new applicants and other times showing 45+.... on this recent job post, I archived some freelancers at least 5-7 times and they still occasionally showed up in the main applicants list.

 

6.)  There's no way to search the list of applicants, so I had to scroll through 179 applicants looking for the name of a freelancer who was recommended by a colleague.  

 

7.)   On some applications, the freelancers' feedback score is shown in the list of applicants (ie. "88% job success").... on others, there's no score displayed, even though when viewing the applicant's full profile there are multiple past jobs with feedback and feedback/job score.  Why can't the score be displayed on every application instead of only some?  

 

8.)  I have no idea how the "job success score" is calculated, so it's essentially meaningless... one applicant to my recent job has complete a total of 3 jobs on Upwork, all 3 with a feedback score of 5.00, and yet her "job success" is only 88%.... how is that possible?  That doesn't make any sense.

 

9.)  What the hell does "Rising Talent" mean?  The Help page on this topic offers a vague, unhelpful explanation:  "Rising Talent freelancers have great potential based on strong backgrounds in their fields and early success with their clients on Upwork. Rising Talent agencies are new agencies that either have strong backgrounds in their industry or is an agency started by a Top Rated freelancer."  <== who decides what a "strong background" is?  What vetting process takes place?  How can someone be given this "Rising Talent" status when they've never worked a single hour on Upwork?  Why would being in an agency started by a Top Rated freelancer automatically give the same status to their agency members (who may have 0 experience / relevant skills for the job)?

 

10.)  I don't want to hire an agency for this latest job post, but I have agencies applying for the job (with a "relevant contractor" attached, which in some cases was also an agency and not an individual freelancer) and applicants whose profile says they're "associated with" 1-3 agencies.  The Help page does not properly explain the difference between these two types of applications, and two chat support reps gave me completely conflicting answers to the question.  Why the ambiguity?  Why not just allow either individuals to apply (meaning they get 100% of the salary if hired), or agencies (meaning you hire a company and they arrange a contractor suitable for the job)?  The confusion essentially has made me look only at freelancers without "associated agencies" shown on their profile. 

 

11.)  What can I learn from a freelancers "test scores"?  Nothing, as far as I can tell.  Some of our best freelancers have mediocre scores on English tests, but they speak and write English so well that a native speaker couldn't tell it was not their native tongue.  Also, there's not really any clear benchmark for what a "good" score is (ie. is 3.70 / 5.00 a decent score, or did the freelancer basically flunk the test?), aside from labels like "top 30%" which isnt meaningful if the other 70% of people tested speak 4 words of English and scored 2 out of 20.  Also, what is done to ensure an applicant hasn't hired someone or asked a friend to take tests under his/her account?  

 

12.)  For this recent job I posted, I set a specific non-negotiable salary (stated explicitly in the job post description)... 80% or more of the applications I received bid at a different rate from what I had specified in the job post... why can't I set a specific rate for a job, and only accept bids from contractors willing to work for that chosen hourly rate?

 

I find it almost laughable that, after posting over 100 jobs on Upwork in the last few years (99 hires), I can still list off 12 separate issues with the hiring process.  Granted, not all my complaints would be shared by other clients, but surely several of them are features that a) would benefit and be well-received by almost all clients; and b) could be implemented in a day or two by any competent programmer.

 

Sorry to vent this publicly, but I simply cannot contain my frustration with the hopeless hiring process that seems to be steadily getting LESS user-friendly and more confusing, even though Upwork's fees and rates have increased dramatically.  

 

Please, Upwork, listen to your clients and address the numerous problems with the hiring process. 

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Mark's avatar
Mark B Community Member

Thanks for the suggestion, Christy / Alexandra.  However, I'm not really interested in paying someone to navigate the very user-unfriendly hiring process on my behalf.... that's not a solution that I find acceptable when I'm already paying $6,000+ per year to use the Upwork platform.  There are a half-dozen ultra-basic features (all clearly outlined in this thread) that Upwork could implement in a matter of hours to make the hiring process easier, simpler, and more transparent.  

 

Given the [significant] fee increases that Upwork has rolled out recently, I think it's completely reasonable to expect them to make simple changes to the platform and their services that will make them more intuitive and user-friendly for clients like myself. 

 

On a positive note, I'd like to recognize Upwork for reaching out to me again today to seek further feedback and offer assistance finding talent in the future.  I'm still unhappy with the ineffective hiring process, clunky platform, and lack of features... but it's nice to see some action from Upwork and I appreciate the personal follow-ups from management.  Hopefully some of the issues mention in my initial post will be resolved before I have another job opening to fill.  I'm certainly more hopeful than I was when I made the initial post.  

 

Winter's avatar
Winter T Community Member

I wonder if I'm the only one who finds it ironic that a site with the world's largest pool of freelance talent can't find professional programmers to make their site better?

Jeffrey's avatar
Jeffrey H Community Member

I miss Elance.  I have a lot less invested in Upwork than Mark B, but I'll just say that the 2 projects I've posted so far on Upwork have been a much greater pain in the arse relative to my prior experiences on Elance.  Sifting through crap applicants is hugely more difficult.  Even the Messages UI is bizarrely bad.  Frankly this whole site should be trashed and someone should start from scratch.

Gerald's avatar
Gerald H Community Member

And while you're at it, why not start with the logo itself? Can't you see that the "p" in "Up" is a loop ending in a downward motion? That way the whole nice symbolism of the "Up" is neutralized and turned into the opposite. I will wonder forever how anybody in their right mind could choose such a symbol as the main logo for their company.

Wendy's avatar
Wendy C Community Member

Disgruntled buyers, while all I could do was laugh when reading the astute critique of the logo I can offer a few suggestions on perhaps solving some of your issues in finding freelancers. 

 

Keep a list of those who did excellent work (refer back to your eLance files if need be) and send them private invites to jobs prior to posting them for general distribution.  Providers that worked with you in the past are those most likey to respond favorably to a new invite.  Their rates will probably have increased to compensate for the new fee structure BUT the time you save and the decrease in your frustration level will appreciate it.

Natasha's avatar
Natasha R Community Member


@Wendy C wrote:

Keep a list of those who did excellent work (refer back to your eLance files if need be) and send them private invites to jobs prior to posting them for general distribution.  Providers that worked with you in the past are those most likey to respond favorably to a new invite. 


 This is available for Elance clients, under contracts they can see all their Elance freelancers.

Wendy's avatar
Wendy C Community Member

Good to know, Natasha.

Gerald's avatar
Gerald H Community Member


@Wendy C wrote:

... while all I could do was laugh when reading the astute critique of the logo ...

 

 

What else can you do? I surely won't weep over this. Imho this occurs, when you have a big merger ahead, a million things in mind, and the logo of the new company is just one of them. Which it shouldn't be. But this is off-topic here. I was merely reacting to Jeffrey's advice to better build everything new from scratch. Just couldn't resist. 

 

Natasha's avatar
Natasha R Community Member

People can interpret things how they want to. Do you remember when Airbnb launched their new logo?

Gerald's avatar
Gerald H Community Member


@Natasha R wrote:

People can interpret things how they want to. Do you remember when Airbnb launched their new logo?


 Sure, these things are always wide open to interpretation. And this is very good in my opinion. And nothing is ALL good or ALL bad. I don't pretend to know all about it or even that my opinion matters. But for me the upwork logo is bad, it just symbolizes what I observe here. Everybody wants up and is led down. Just my opinion. But again, for many users, Upwork seems to work just fine, so maybe the logo was designed with a special purpose that I don´t know about.. And I have just researched the Airbnb logo and I find it PERFEKT for their business model. But as you so rightfully say: everybody can interpret these things how they want to. I don't know about Airbnb, but judging from their logo they must be doing great, I guess. 

Ugo's avatar
Ugo V Community Member

Unfortunately there aren't decent competitors, that's the only Upwork's strenght, which they leverage to the tilt! ...I am SOOOO looking forward for a decent competitor to appear, I'll last 2 hours on Upwork.

Just to summarize the ones we used: Toptal it's an empty promise, we found there at least 30% developers also active on other platforms, only at three times the hourly rate! Freelancers is like Upwork only cahotic, it seems impossible but with an even worse chat UX, again, at least 70% developers are the same people we keep encountering accross platforms. We also use a lot of specialised directories but I wouldn't mention them as they are very niche. Good news for everyone, where we abandoned LinedIn for hiring (horribly exploitative) we're sourcing very good freelancers cleverly navigating FaceBook groups...and I'll stop there otherwise the moderator will moderate me out...

Charles's avatar
Charles F Community Member

Thank you Mark. I totally agree - we haven't spent as much as you, but quite a lot for us. The same thing happened when we interviewed for new DEVs. I said no agencies - yet there they were applying. The agencies were present when I was looking for candidates to invite even though I said no agencies. Same thing with requiring 90% and above. Same thing with people that had no percentage rating - only to find that they had received 5 stars by delving into their background.

Upwork - you need to listen to the clients.

 

Charles

Bojan's avatar
Bojan S Community Manager

Thank you for sharing your valuable feedback with us, Charles. I'll be sure to share this with our team. 

~ Bojan
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Ugo's avatar
Ugo V Community Member

We've been in Upwork 7 years (even before it was Upwork) with several accounts and we certainly spent more than several hundred $k on it. So, as a fellow 'veteran' I subscribe to each and every item in Mark's list...and that's only about the list of candidates!
We've been discussing with Upwork representatives a lot, over the years and our bottom line is that the very few (comparatively few) professional clients are not a priority for Upwork. Although we bring substantial 'by account' fee stream, we are nengligible to the whole cashflow. Webflow makes money matching MASSES of incompetent clients with MASSES of incompetent freelancers, that's their core business. Once you see things from this vantage point all the issues you raised make perfect sense: the more the merrier! Statistically, when one doesn't know exactly what she's looking for a big number of applicant increases the chances they'll find her.  

Michael's avatar
Michael B Community Member

Trying to use Upwork but the interface is so amazingly, incredibly bad.  Googled about the problem I had, came here.  Saw a big customer painstakingly detail several problems he had, only to have Upwork essentially blow him off.  Absolutely not surprised:  people too incompetent to make a proper site certainly have no interest in fixing it, since they're too clueless to even see that there's a problem.

 

I imagine most customers of most businesses don't take the time to detail problems like this, for the same reason: the business will always blow them off.  Upwork had a golden opportunity here by receiving golden feedback, and took it for granted.  Guess whether I'm gonna detail my own problems with Upwork, or whether the OP is ever gonna detail his problems with other businesses again.

Andy's avatar
Andy P Community Member

So ive been using Upwork for 10 years since it was Elance hired 300+ freelancers from here. I understand your frustration, I think Upwork can work well if you just want to do somethign basic like hire 1 person to do 1 job but hiring and manging and larger numbers of freelancers from it can be frustrating and yes I agree with you that there are some simple things Upwork could and should do to improve the process its good that people like you are letting Upwork know that things could be improved. The best solution that I have found is to hire someone as a coworker and train them to do a lot of the processess that i find time consuming and frustrating. I try and partly automate the training of the coworker by making videos and having multiple choice quiz questions to check the coworker is taking on board the info in the videos. 

Ismet's avatar
Ismet D Community Member

Hi Mark, you have great points that highlight the weaknesses of Upwork. Personally, I took some tests when Elance and Odesk were active and the tests were including outdated questions. With technology stacks changing every day, I'm not sure how those questions can be up to date again.
In addition, Upwork is hiding skilled freelancers like us unless we are paying to boost our profiles. In my opinion, Upwork should be charging clients not freelancers, but in the current scenario things going worse.
Upwork does not even let me know that my existing client posted a new job that might be a great fit for me. They are hiding jobs, freelancers and this is not a good practice in the long term. I hope Upwork will review & change this policy.