Ads using threatening language

[2bc58c09]

I think this is a negative step and is one that should be actively discouraged. This ad includes the phrase - 'we will lower the pay if you try to negotiate'. This should not be tolerated.

**Edited for Community Guidelines**

[6e2db39c]

I think the best thing we can do is to ignore this kind of jobs and focus on quality clients, the five dollars budget is enough for me to not even bother to read.

[the-right-writer]

No, you don't ignore it, turn them in.

[the-right-writer]

Edited, misread post. They can't be banned for making the comment, but I would not work with them.

They should be banned. Report to Upwork, and maybe, just maybe, they will ban them.

[feed_my_eyes]

I don't see any grounds for banning the ad. It's obnoxious, but that's not against the terms of service. 

Rod, it's actually a good thing when a client reveals their true character right in the job description, then people don't have to waste their time applying. Would you prefer that they pretend to be nice, and only find out what they're like after you're hired?

[crart]

Idiots posting $5 "jobs" can't be nice no matter what sweet language they use.

Also, I do not agree with this mindset of "it's not against the rules so let's skip it". Yelling on the child on the street while the child is crying is also not againts the law but it is at least offensive and harmful, would you not pay attention to the situation? Interesting. No wonder we have such lifeless, mentally retarded world when people truly don't care about respect.

[feed_my_eyes]

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Also, I do not agree with this mindset of "it's not against the rules so let's skip it". 

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But that's the only option that you have in this case. Upwork says that the fixed price minimum for a job is $5, so what's the point of reporting it? In any case, the OP wasn't complaining about the price - if I understand correctly - they were complaining about the rudeness of the client for saying that the price was non-negotiable. There are no rules about banning clients for that.

I don't understand your comparison to a crying child, either. We aren't children, we're adults, so we can choose whether we apply to this job or not. You can't prevent people from being idiots, all you can do is avoid dealing with them.

[crart]

I don't say "ban for low price", surely there are people happy to work for free. I say that if we want to operate within certain civilized boundaries (although sadly, since monkeys were let out of cages and started talking loud, some normal behavior is considered weird and offensive), we should enforce following them. And pay attention to what is around us because it will affect each one of us sooner or later. It used to be normal to express one's opinion, these days not so much especially if it is not an opinion of brainless masses or if it is a critique of something that masses swallow without a blink of the eye.

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I don't understand your comparison to a crying child, either. We aren't children, we're adults, so we can choose whether we apply to this job or not. You can't prevent people from being idiots, all you can do is avoid dealing with them.

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Aye, so let's put it this way, for easier comprehension. If you walk on the street and see a man letting his dog *** on the pavement and you pass him by without a word, you are essentially allowing for such action. Enjoy the pavement from now on. Lack of reaction is an action itself. I get that in case of UW, any humane standards, civilised attitude and all that jazz that used to count is irrelevant but then why we're all here? Why we let them run this casino at our expenses?

[the-right-writer]

Actually, I misread the post.

Whenever a client comes down heavy-handed, it should at least give one pause. Yes, I assume the client is a thief until proven otherwise, but I don't tell them that. The client is assuming, openly, freelancers will try to negotiate - which smacks of, they might not like receiving pennies per hour for the giant job the client suddenly displays. No, they can't be banned, but they should be avoided at all costs. Sure they will get scammers instead of freelancers, but that's Upwork, and they probably deserve it.

[wlyonsatl]

Rod W.,

A person who is not a client can't "threaten" you no matter how hard they try.

I've had a couple of difficult-to-work-with clients who actually did try to threaten me if I didn't do exactly as they said once we had an Upwork contract in place.

I fired them forthwith, but I wish they'd have shown their true colors before I agreed to an Upwork contract with them

[celgins]

I agree with Will's assessment. The phrase "we will lower the pay if you try to negotiate" is absurd.

First, I don't negotiate rates or pay. Second, if I were negotating and didn't already have a contract in place, the client can lower the pay to $0 and it won't matter because I would never take the job.

I see it as arrogance more than a threat.

[wlyonsatl · Accepted solution]

Clark,

I really think this is just as likely to be an inexperienced client who has no idea how much (s)he should pay and/or doesn't have the confidence to tell someone "no" - or be told "no" - if negotiations are needed.

Negotiating is just a normal part of business. Any prospective client can ask me whether I'll lower my rate, which I don't do. But they're welcome to ask. And that request does put me on notice that this is very possibly a client who wants me to work with them but can't afford my rate.

A couple such clients have slipped through the cracks and ultimately stopped their partially-finished projects because they ran out of money. One asked me to finish the job at no further cost, promising me she'd pay the remainder due at some point in the future. (You can guess my response.) Another demanded a full refund, which I didn't agree to, when he ran out of money mid-project and couldn't really use the partially-finished work.