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Loose Money in Upwork

prestonhunter
Community Guru
Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
11 of 43

re: "You can charge in Upwork while spending time playing online games, then Upwork policy will refund that time"

 

This is true.

 

As a client, if I hire a freelancer using an hourly contract, and I see in work diary screenshots that the freelancer is playing online games or doing anything else other than working on my project, then I can dispute those time segments.

 

Upwork will review the work diary and REMOVE the time segments that show the freelancer playing games or doing something else from the time that I have to pay for.

 

As a client, there is a five-day time period after the end of each week during which I may dispute that time and get Upwork to remove it so that I do not pay for it.

richardrader
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Richard R Member Since: Jun 22, 2018
12 of 43

$4/hr will definiately attract the bottom of the barrel freelancers. Granted there are good quality freelancers from countries with lower costs of living, but most applicants will be lower quality. 

Think of it this way. You paid $150, but got no value in return. Now you have to hire someone else or do it yourself which will cost even more money. Or you could pay more and get better quality and more value. Good quality freelancers are also very efficient. So while you may be paying a lower rate for someone, they may charge more hours vs a good quality freelancer who can do the same work for better quality in a fraction of the time. Perhaps you can even save money. 

Also check the reviews before hand. If someone has good reviews and a higher JSS score, the chances of getting good quality work are higher. You can even video chat with them to make sure they are legit. And as a tip, always request proof of work as they are working on the project where possible.

prestonhunter
Community Guru
Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
13 of 43

There is NOTHING WRONG with having a desire that Upwork improve.

 

There is nothing wrong with using Upwork as a client and experiencing some disappointments, and then making recommendations about ways that Upwork can change to address those issues.

 

But as Upwork users (whether clients or freelancers or both) it never helpful to ourselves and others if we confuse "recommendations for future changes" with "advice about using Upwork in the present."

 

The Upwork platform is not a philosophical idea. It is a real, already-existing platform that works the way that it does.

 

I think some of the original poster's comments in this thread are unclear about whether they are discussing how to use Upwork effectively the way that is now, or discussing recommendations for changes that Upwork could make in the future.

 

Also, some types of recommendations are not very useful if they are simply suggestions for goals that Upwork already has, yet do not include concrete actions. The original poster has recommended that Upwork have "no fake or low-quality freelancers." That is already Upwork's goal. Upwork already has extensive identity verification protocols in place that address the original poster's complaint about "fake" freelancers. Upwork has freelancer feedback, rating systems (JSS, etc.) in place to address the original poster's concerns about freelancer quality.

 

Some things are something that Upwork can not really control. In the original freelancer's comments, one might sense a desire for Upwork to continue to have very-low-cost freelancers but ensure that these freelancers only provide very-high-quality work. That isn't really Upwork or anybody else can ensure in a broad sense. There is not conceptual algorithm or user interface button that Upwork could add to its platform that would accomplish this in a guaranteed way... as this is essentially a recommendation to re-work the way the world works. The principle "You can have it cheap; You can have it right; You can have it fast" is a real principle that all clients should keep in mind. This is not something that Upwork can "choose" to just negate.

 

I love the fact that the original poster is actively thinking about ways that Upwork can be improved for its users, and I hope that he will continue to engage in discussion about the platform. For the sake of his own success, I hope he will continue to learn about both "universal principles" that affect hiring and project management, as well as about unique Upwork-specific concepts.

7bd0d548
Community Leader
Ilham B Member Since: Jul 26, 2016
14 of 43

Why are you all keep talking about QUALITY ?!?!!?

I am sick and tired of y'all correlating PRICE with QUALITY !

 

The initial discussion is about loosing money.

 

You can always loose money when you hire high price OR low price, whatever it does not matter. This is about how to find UNIQUE vs GENERAL freelancers.

 

Final Warning !

 

 

7bd0d548
Community Leader
Ilham B Member Since: Jul 26, 2016
15 of 43

"QUALITY IS NOT CORRELATED WITH SALARY LEVEL"

 

Any poor performing freelancers can inflate their salary.


I hired this guy named**Edited for community guidelines**at $4/hr and he did worked terribly and leave in the middle of the contract. Then when I look at his profile, he recently was hired at $28/hr where he gets a bad review similar to my experience. 

I hired him when he did not have any poor review at all, in fact some he had some good reviews.

 

"A good quality freelancer are really depends on the relationship between client on the freelancers, like if they liked each other, connected, same mind, same vision,  etc which simply a match !"

petra_r
Community Guru
Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
16 of 43

Ilham B wrote:

"QUALITY IS NOT CORRELATED WITH SALARY LEVEL"


So, why do the cheapest, lowest paying clients always have the biggest problems and have them most often?

 

If it has nothing to do with the fact that you hire the cheapest of the cheap, what do you think you keep doing wrong for you to have so many problems with the people you hire? Where do you, as the client, go so badly wrong if it has nothing to do with the fact that you only pay peanuts?

 

7bd0d548
Community Leader
Ilham B Member Since: Jul 26, 2016
17 of 43

I can pay low and have no issues !

 

If I do have issues, then just kick them of the contract and find another one untill I get best price and best quality which I usually did successfully.

 

If you want to get kudo and be recognized as a good answer, try your self be a client and hire cheap vs expensive (but do it for so many times like I did, thousands hire or more).

 

p.s

Do NOT correlate PRICE with QUALITY in this discussion !, because it is NOT correlated at all what so ever ! 

 

It's more about correlation in beetween of PRICE with UNIQUENESS !.

 

So I hope upwork find more freelancers whom are tagged as unique to increase the platform's UX and income !

 

 

 

a_lipsey
Community Guru
Amanda L Member Since: Jan 23, 2018
18 of 43

Ilham B wrote:

"QUALITY IS NOT CORRELATED WITH SALARY LEVEL"

 

Any poor performing freelancers can inflate their salary.


I hired this guy named**Edited for community guidelines**at $4/hr and he did worked terribly and leave in the middle of the contract. Then when I look at his profile, he recently was hired at $28/hr where he gets a bad review similar to my experience. 

I hired him when he did not have any poor review at all, in fact some he had some good reviews.

 

"A good quality freelancer are really depends on the relationship between client on the freelancers, like if they liked each other, connected, same mind, same vision,  etc which simply a match !"


I really don't understand what you are trying to argue. You hired someone to work for a cheap price. So you got a cheap result. No, paying someone more does not guarantee a better result, but, in general, a better quality result is going to cost more than what you paid for a poor result.  And yes, you are correct: the quality of the work often does rely on a good working relationship between the client and the freelancer. 

 

So what is your point?   You refuse to pay more and expect to get a better result? You know the colloquial definition of insanity, right?   Doing the same thing over and over and expecting  a different result.  If you want a better result YOU need to do something different when you hire and work with a freelancer next time. That could mean more vetting, that could mean paying a higher price, that could mean more supervision (since you're hiring  likely less experienced freelancers as well). Remember the success or failure of your project really rests with you, no one else.  What can you do  differently to change the outcome?

yitwail
Community Guru
John K Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
19 of 43
Going by my own experience as a freelancer, there IS correlation between hourly rate and quality of work, but it’s an imperfect correlation. In an ideal world, there would be no “unprofessional or fake” freelancers, but in reality those exist. So if I was hiring, I would take time to vet freelancers carefully. Only consider freelancers with extensive AND recent experience, and whenever possible, don’t simply read reviews but click the job title to get to the original job listing so you can see if the client has a plausible hiring history. That way, you reduce the possibility that the freelancer did a bunch of sketchy jobs to collect 5 star ratings. It’s a lot of work but hopefully you will get better results.
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7bd0d548
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Ilham B Member Since: Jul 26, 2016
20 of 43

The initial discussion is NEVER about quality !

 

Just some **Edited for Community Guidelines** in this discussion start correlating price on qualities.

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