Feb 14, 2022 02:06:03 PM by Andrea G
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May 7, 2020 06:22:32 PM by Mary W
Wendy, that was beyond words. Thank you. There is still great beauty in the world.
May 8, 2020 09:58:09 PM by Petra R
Graph updated at the end of the first week of restrictions being slowly lifted in Italy.
Currently active cases in Spain, Italy and especially Germany continue to fall. France more or less level, USA still increasing overall.
May 11, 2020 08:26:42 AM by Abinadab A
I heard the Germany and NZ cases started rising when they began loosing restrictions.
May 11, 2020 11:28:46 AM Edited May 11, 2020 11:32:43 AM by Petra R
Abinadab A wrote:I heard the Germany and NZ cases started rising when they began loosing restrictions.
You did?
New Zealand (who are now in phase 3)
May 11, 2020 11:32:48 AM Edited May 11, 2020 12:59:58 PM by Maria T
Petra, where did you get those charts? Are they yours or from some web page?They are very good.
Forget it, I didn't notice the links
May 11, 2020 12:41:59 PM by Valerio S
Abinadab A wrote:I heard the Germany and NZ cases started rising when they began loosing restrictions.
No, In NZ we started loosing restrictions 2 weeks ago and since then we just had a handful of cases, mostly related to one single cluster. On Thursday we will be progressively moving to Alert level 2, first restaurants and retails, than schools and finally bars will be able to open under strict conditions.
So far, everything seems to be working quite well.
May 11, 2020 01:18:31 PM Edited May 11, 2020 01:19:21 PM by Abinadab A
I just hope it doesn't flow from that cluster to another cluster.
Last I heard was New Zealand was having 0 new cases day after day, so a handful of new cases?
Well it's good news but not good news.
May 11, 2020 01:41:07 PM by Valerio S
Abinadab A wrote:I just hope it doesn't flow from that cluster to another cluster.
Last I heard was New Zealand was having 0 new cases day after day, so a handful of new cases?
Well it's good news but not good news.
It is possible but so far it seems to be contained, in general New Zealanders responded quite well to the lockdown. We had "only" two days with 0 cases, the rest of the time we had between 2 and 5 (confirmed and probable).
May 11, 2020 02:48:45 PM Edited May 11, 2020 02:49:56 PM by Nichola L
I think we all have to realize that this virus cannot be "contained". It is not containable and it does not recognize boundaries, countries or political agendas. Just one person (who may be asymptomatic) can potentially infect thousands of others and thousands of those people will die - horribly.
Each of us has a responsibility to try to reduce the progress of this disease and its mutation, and this is not by eagerly returning to our entitled "must-have" attitude, and it is not necessarily by listening to our respective governments' sometimes very mixed messages. Yes, the economy as we know it will suffer, but what about a new, and different economy to come - an economy that could be beneficial?
May 11, 2020 03:13:59 PM by Valerio S
Sorry Nichola but I disagree. The virus can be contained (and it's been successfully done by some countries) with appropriate measures and communication, it's really difficult but achievable. If we give up to the notion that this is not possible, we are basically saying that nothing can be done and every measure is basically pointless.
I agree that each one of us has a responsibility to try to reduce the progress of this disease, but I do not understand how can we label as "entitled "must-have" attitude" wanting to go back, as much as possible, to a more normal life, since eradication is impossible at the moment (and probably for many months to come) it's crazy to put our lives on hold until a vaccine comes out. Unfortunately this virus is a reality, and we have to learn how to coexist with it, not submit to it.
May 11, 2020 03:23:01 PM Edited May 11, 2020 03:26:59 PM by Nichola L
Valerio S wrote:Sorry Nichola but I disagree. The virus can be contained (and it's been successfully done by some countries) with appropriate measures and communication, it's really difficult but achievable. If we give up to the notion that this is not possible, we are basically saying that nothing can be done and every measure is basically pointless.
I agree that each one of us has a responsibility to try to reduce the progress of this disease, but I do not understand how can we label as "entitled "must-have" attitude" wanting to go back, as much as possible, to a more normal life, since eradication is impossible at the moment (and probably for many months to come) it's crazy to put our lives on hold until a vaccine comes out. Unfortunately this virus is a reality, and we have to learn how to coexist with it, not submit to it.
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Give me one example. It has spiked again in China and Korea. And I am not saying we should put our lives on hold. I am saying we should look at our lives differently. And I certainly did not say we should submit to the virus - although people who selfishly believe that things can be as they were before, will certainly submit other people to certain death.
I think, we are probably on the same page. I certainly do not agree that we should not take measures, but I do wonder if those measures are not being lifted too early in order to crank up an economy that could be doomed.
May 11, 2020 04:04:31 PM by Valerio S
Let's start considering that containment is the action of keeping something harmful under control or within limits (I'm not trying to be presumptuous, I had to google it to be sure I was using this term correctly).
Korea (total cases 10,909, total deaths 256, that's 5 per million) had 34 new cases, hardly a signal of a situation out of control in a country that roughly counts 52 million inhabitants (but it certainly raises concerns about further community transmission).
Singapore has, so far, 21 reported deaths on a total number of cases of 23,822 (4 per million).
New Zealand has 1497 reported cases and 21 deaths (4 per million).
Australia has 6,948 reported cases and 97deaths (4 per million).
While any number over 0 is tragic, these are clear signs that the situation has been contained and dealt with as good as possible, all considering.
I agree, I think we are on the same page, but spikes in cases are going to be our new reality at least for a while and bouncing back and forth between restrictions too, all this in order to maintain a certain balance between the needs of our economy and our health.
May 11, 2020 06:09:47 PM by Abinadab A
These are tough times, tough virus, and there are no perfect answers, or solutions.
The other day the Aussie govt. were sounding like, 'they are taking care to make sure the burden on future generations because of coronavirus is not too much.'
That's a round about way of saying, "The money to pay you to stay at home, is finished (or is about to finish).
May 11, 2020 06:21:10 PM Edited May 11, 2020 07:29:50 PM by Abinadab A
Nichola L wrote:Give me one example. It has spiked again in China and Korea. And I am not saying we should put our lives on hold. I am saying we should look at our lives differently. And I certainly did not say we should submit to the virus - although people who selfishly believe that things can be as they were before, will certainly submit other people to certain death.
I think, we are probably on the same page. I certainly do not agree that we should not take measures, but I do wonder if those measures are not being lifted too early in order to crank up an economy that could be doomed.
This sweeping mental reform won't come anytime soon, I'm afraid, Nichola.
People will always want more monies, and more fancy cars, and those fancy things that will cause more coronavirus.
"No way am I going back to that rural, listless, unassuming kind of life", says most.
ETA: Did you know many capitalists are willing to die for that belief system.
Cos capitalism is another way of saying, "small government, little to no interference with my business".
To survive coronavirus you'll get the exact opposite of that school.
You'd be surprised to know how many are willing to die than see the ideological freedoms they fought for and believed in for many years chipped at.
I'm in no way publicly expressing adherence or opposition to any socio-economic system.
Just mentioning how it gels out in the age of corona.
May 11, 2020 06:34:46 PM by Abinadab A
Who loves the way this virus is resetting everything lol.
I've been waiting for a recession for 12 freaking years!
I've been waiting with bated breath for this reset (not the death part, but the reset).
'Bless me, I didn't want anybody to die.
It's very unfortunate people have to die for the much awaited Great Reset to happen.
So unfortunate.
May 11, 2020 09:07:38 PM Edited May 11, 2020 09:09:29 PM by Petra R
Nichola L wrote:
Valerio S wrote:Sorry Nichola but I disagree. The virus can be contained (and it's been successfully done by some countries) with appropriate measures and communication, it's really difficult but achievable.
Give me one example. It has spiked again in China and Korea.
"Spiked again?" I don't know, doesn't look like "spikes" to me. "Spikelets" maybe?
China and South Korea
"Contain" does not mean "eradicate."
There was never any (realistic) expectation that it could be eradicated in one fell swoop.
What the measures in those countries that did well have done was buy time, put in place measures to trace and test and isolate and not overwhelm the health system, leading to a progression towards a new normal relatively quickly.
Until there is a safe vaccine or treatment, keeping numbers down is what "containing" means. Testing, tracing, isolating the sick and the vulnerable (preferably far away from each other 😉 ).
May 18, 2020 11:13:06 PM Edited May 18, 2020 11:25:33 PM by Petra R
Another graph, which will be interesting (to me at least) in a week or two because yesterday the restrictions in Italy were more or less lifted as far as shops and restaurants and beaches etc are concerned (social distancing and masks still mandatory mostly)
Spain and Italy continue a steady downwards trend, as is Germany, where the downward trend is flatter, but they had far fewer cases at their peak than the others,
France holding steady/declining very slowly.
The USA has not peaked yet and may well not do so until it will have over 3 x as many infected people per Million population than Italy had when it peaked a month ago today...
Yesterday, Italy also had the lowest number of new infections and new deaths in 2 months. New deaths fell under 100 for the first time.
In other news, quietly, Russia has overtaken everyone bar the USA for total cases, and Brazil will probably move past Spain within the next couple of days. Current top 10
May 19, 2020 12:27:05 AM by Maria T
I'm with you, we will have to wait a couple of weeks to see how everything evolves now that the restrictions are being gradually opened.
From what has been seen here with the little that can still be done, I do not want to think what will happen when mobility is allowed throughout the country, and entry from other countries is allowed.
We will see.
Be very careful, everyone.
May 19, 2020 02:08:03 AM by Petra R
Maria T wrote:I do not want to think what will happen when mobility is allowed throughout the country, and entry from other countries is allowed.
Yes. I have no intention of going anywhere for quite a while still.
I have become an expert in finding wonderful food that gets delivered (and am supporting smaller businesses rather than supermarket chains in the process...)
🙂
May 19, 2020 02:29:39 AM by Rene K
Here in France the lockdown has, kinda, ended on May 11. Bars, restaurants, movie theaters, gyms, bigger malls, well anything gathering people indoors remains closed. Some non-food businesses are still closed and will start to reopen next week, by choice.
Moving more than 100 km is still forbidden unless proven necessity.
Counties are divided into green and red ones, according to how much of virus is still circulating. Parks are reopening in green counties.
Went downtown Paris yesterday to shop for some audio gear. I'd say 50% wear masks outside streets and most inside shops.
Many are still scared and avoid social interactions. We'll see how this develops.
Government has paid for partial unemployment, but the overall financial burden will hit us hard. I hope there will be no second wave.
May 19, 2020 04:12:57 AM by Aleksandr S
I planned to take my daughter to the Paris Disneyland on her 5th birthday in the middle of June. I procrastinated with booking an apartment and buying plane tickets, and then the virus hit.
I'm kind of happy I did not spend money, because it's difficult to get refund now. But on the other hand, there will be very little options for a party next month or two.
May 19, 2020 04:21:41 AM Edited May 19, 2020 04:30:12 AM by Petra R
Aleksandr S wrote:I planned to take my daughter to the Paris Disneyland on her 5th birthday in the middle of June. I procrastinated with booking an apartment and buying plane tickets, and then the virus hit.
I'm kind of happy I did not spend money, because it's difficult to get refund now. But on the other hand, there will be very little options for a party next month or two.
I'd like to think it will get better by then but Russia is looking to be on a very scary trajectory right now and no, there likely won't be any parties in June- But if she's 5 maybe she won't know when her birthday is and you can celebrate later?
Rene K wrote:I hope there will be no second wave.
I hope so too. Not so much because I believe there won't be one, but because after months of thi I need to have hope.
May 19, 2020 04:32:00 AM Edited May 19, 2020 04:33:32 AM by Aleksandr S
Petra R wrote:
Aleksandr S wrote:I planned to take my daughter to the Paris Disneyland on her 5th birthday in the middle of June. I procrastinated with booking an apartment and buying plane tickets, and then the virus hit.
I'm kind of happy I did not spend money, because it's difficult to get refund now. But on the other hand, there will be very little options for a party next month or two.
I'd like to think it will get better by then but Russia is looking to be on a very scary trajectory right now and no, there likely won't be any parties in June- But if she's 5 maybe she won't know when her birthday is and you can celebrate later?
The daily increase is decreasing (hmm, or decrease is increasing). So the situation becomes a little bit better every day.
Nah, she already knows that her birthday is coming. Everyone will be calling to celebrate her. We're going to get along with a big cake and a ton of presents.
And balloons. All the ceiling is covered with balloons.
May 19, 2020 05:05:26 AM by Jennifer R
Petra R wrote:
Aleksandr S wrote:I planned to take my daughter to the Paris Disneyland on her 5th birthday in the middle of June. I procrastinated with booking an apartment and buying plane tickets, and then the virus hit.
I'm kind of happy I did not spend money, because it's difficult to get refund now. But on the other hand, there will be very little options for a party next month or two.
I'd like to think it will get better by then but Russia is looking to be on a very scary trajectory right now and no, there likely won't be any parties in June- But if she's 5 maybe she won't know when her birthday is and you can celebrate later?
Oh, they know and they know about all their friend's birthdays as well. They know what they want for cake and of course the presents months ahead. They know better about their birthday then Xmas.