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Re: Change Current Upwork Connects policy

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Karim C Member Since: Jul 29, 2015
1 of 22

Connects are used to submit proposals for jobs at Upwork. When a job is done Upwork generate revenue as service fee from client and from Freelancer as service fees.

 

But when a Freelancer does not have connects and he/she is not able to buy connects, Freelancer basically not able to apply job and the possibility of get hire and job done is reduce to 0%. This also impact directly to Upwork internal revenue.

 

I am the perfect example. When new connects policy implemented and my connects are finish i have lost my intention to use Upwork because when i will buy connects their is no guarantee that my all buy connects help me to get job. so i may lost money after buy connects.

 

Previously upwork give 60 connects to Freelancer as free. I hope upwork will roll back to previous system and help freelancer to get more jobs again and upwork also improve their internal revenue as before generated as service fee.

 

Thanks
Karim

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
2 of 22

Karim C wrote:

 

But when a Freelancer does not have connects and he/she is not able to buy connects, Freelancer basically not able to apply job and the possibility of get hire and job done is reduce to 0%. This also impact directly to Upwork internal revenue.


No, it doesn't. The job will be done by someone. Just not by you.

 


Karim C wrote:

I am the perfect example. When new connects policy implemented and my connects are finish i have lost my intention to use Upwork because when i will buy connects their is no guarantee that my all buy connects help me to get job. so i may lost money after buy connects.


Considering that Upwork has far too many freelancers, "losing" a bunch is, if not actually the intention, an accepted and even desirable side-effect. If Upwork loses a third of its freelancers, there will still be too many.

 


Karim C wrote:
..... and upwork also improve their internal revenue as before generated as service fee.

I have no idea how you think giving people free connects would in any way improve revenue.

It doesn't.

It would only do that if there weren't enough freelancers to do the jobs that are available. That is, of course, not the case.

 

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Jamie F Member Since: Mar 7, 2010
3 of 22

Karim C wrote:

 

I am the perfect example. When new connects policy implemented and my connects are finish i have lost my intention to use Upwork because when i will buy connects their is no guarantee that my all buy connects help me to get job. 

Which is the point behind them doing it, they have said so themselves. Your post only suggests that their policy is working as intended. 

Community Leader
Russell T Member Since: Jul 25, 2015
4 of 22

What powers that be ever said they're way to many freelancers?.......ahh I know, the Freelancers that find it hard competing with others.....said the keen observer. 


Losing Freelancers that have a proven track record of success is not in anyone's best intrest. Including other freelancers and Upwork. Period.

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Rene K Member Since: Jul 10, 2014
5 of 22

Russell T wrote:


Losing Freelancers that have a proven track record of success is not in anyone's best intrest. Including other freelancers and Upwork. Period.


Upwork will not lose freelancers with a proven track of record. These can pay for connects and don't care about the $0.90 that it costs to bid on a job if they are winning jobs on a regular basis.

 

If you go to the freelancers search engine on Upwork and you filter by earnings, you'll see what Petra is talking about...

 

 

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
6 of 22

Russell T wrote:

What powers that be ever said they're way to many freelancers?.......


**edited for Community Guidelines**

It was also (nicely wrapped in corporate speak) in the report, along the lines of "significant surplus of freelancers," and "no effort to be made winning and retaining freelancers." (I paraphrase as can't remember the exact wording)

 

It has been clear for years. In 2014 or thereabouts they kicked out tens of thousands and it's probably time for another massive purge.

 


Russell T wrote:

.......ahh I know, the Freelancers that find it hard competing with others.....


LOL.Me? Hilarious.

 


Russell T wrote:

said the keen observer.


Obviously not observant enough.

 


Russell T wrote:

Losing Freelancers that have a proven track record of success is not in anyone's best intrest.


People who are successful on the site are (obviously) less likely to leave.

Losing unsuccessful ones is no loss.

 

Losing the odd successful one is natural turnover and collateral damage.

 

It's so cute how people here think they're such special little snowflakes and how it would really hurt the platform if they melted away.

Community Guru
Scott B Member Since: Nov 20, 2015
7 of 22

Clients becoming overwhelmed by a massive number of proposals from people who have no business proposing is a far greater concern. Post a job and get 100 spam like replies and see how you may feel about continuing to use this platform. Paying for connects doesn't solve this but it does begin to create a system where there is some skin in the game when it comes to proposing. I would go further to suggest that the cost to newer freelancer's (or those who have not yet shown success) be higher. One should need to show their value before getting perks like reduced costs, etc. Would I have been happy about it as a new freelancer? No. Would I have understood it, yes. It should be a meritocracy here but instead the person with a history of issues is subject to the exact same fees and rate schedules as the people who deliver the greatest value to the platform. So feel good that you pay for connects and are subject to the same service fees as everyone else, value provided or not.

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Russell T Member Since: Jul 25, 2015
8 of 22

Scott B wrote:

Clients becoming overwhelmed by a massive number of proposals from people who have no business proposing is a far greater concern. Post a job and get 100 spam like replies and see how you may feel about continuing to use this platform. Paying for connects doesn't solve this but it does begin to create a system where there is some skin in the game when it comes to proposing. I would go further to suggest that the cost to newer freelancer's (or those who have not yet shown success) be higher. One should need to show their value before getting perks like reduced costs, etc. Would I have been happy about it as a new freelancer? No. Would I have understood it, yes. It should be a meritocracy here but instead the person with a history of issues is subject to the exact same fees and rate schedules as the people who deliver the greatest value to the platform. So feel good that you pay for connects and are subject to the same service fees as everyone else, value provided or not.


Sorry Scott B, 

I am not buying the whole "Way to many proposals" chant, sorry I am not. This is speaking from someone that has done hiring for a solid 16 years before becoming a freelancer. I would regularly filter hundreds of applicants to find the gems. I was always greatfull to have more then less candidates. So it's lazyness sure, but a a problem for the platform,  no way.

Think about how quickly you tune out fake, spam and junk jobs when looking for right opportunity. It takes seconds to filter. We may complain about junk jobs as many do here, but the fact is no one wants to diminish their ability to post them and rightflully so.

Upwork is in essence just reducing their options to find the gems. Paying for a connect is not going to give you a short list of ideal candidates, its just not. Less for sure, but try and find a gem in 5-10 proposals the laws of probability are just not on your side. 


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Phyllis G Member Since: Sep 8, 2016
9 of 22

Russell T wrote:

Scott B wrote:

Clients becoming overwhelmed by a massive number of proposals from people who have no business proposing is a far greater concern. Post a job and get 100 spam like replies and see how you may feel about continuing to use this platform. Paying for connects doesn't solve this but it does begin to create a system where there is some skin in the game when it comes to proposing. I would go further to suggest that the cost to newer freelancer's (or those who have not yet shown success) be higher. One should need to show their value before getting perks like reduced costs, etc. Would I have been happy about it as a new freelancer? No. Would I have understood it, yes. It should be a meritocracy here but instead the person with a history of issues is subject to the exact same fees and rate schedules as the people who deliver the greatest value to the platform. So feel good that you pay for connects and are subject to the same service fees as everyone else, value provided or not.


Sorry Scott B, 

I am not buying the whole "Way to many proposals" chant, sorry I am not. This is speaking from someone that has done hiring for a solid 16 years before becoming a freelancer. I would regularly filter hundreds of applicants to find the gems. I was always greatfull to have more then less candidates. So it's lazyness sure, but a a problem for the platform,  no way.

Think about how quickly you tune out fake, spam and junk jobs when looking for right opportunity. It takes seconds to filter. We may complain about junk jobs as many do here, but the fact is no one wants to diminish their ability to post them and rightflully so.

Upwork is in essence just reducing their options to find the gems. Paying for a connect is not going to give you a short list of ideal candidates, its just not. Less for sure, but try and find a gem in 5-10 proposals the laws of probability are just not on your side. 



You are ignoring one important fact: for the most part (perhaps even entirely), it's the lower quality FLs who are dropping away. That means that even if the number of proposals submitted to a given job post is lower, the quality is higher. If that turns out not to be the case, the the joke's on the rest of us. But I' betting it is.

 

Community Guru
Abinadab A Member Since: Sep 26, 2016
10 of 22

Russell T wrote:


Sorry Scott B, 

I am not buying the whole "Way to many proposals" chant, sorry I am not. This is speaking from someone that has done hiring for a solid 16 years before becoming a freelancer. I would regularly filter hundreds of applicants to find the gems. I was always greatfull to have more then less candidates. So it's lazyness sure, but a a problem for the platform,  no way.

Think about how quickly you tune out fake, spam and junk jobs when looking for right opportunity. It takes seconds to filter. We may complain about junk jobs as many do here, but the fact is no one wants to diminish their ability to post them and rightflully so.

Upwork is in essence just reducing their options to find the gems. Paying for a connect is not going to give you a short list of ideal candidates, its just not. Less for sure, but try and find a gem in 5-10 proposals the laws of probability are just not on your side. 




Yours is a pretty ideological battle, you're questioning the very philosophy underpinning the strategic direction of Upwork.

You might be right.

But you are not likely to win this battle at all.

 

 

Upwork has decided that quality and quantity don't usually happen at the same time, and that one has to be chosen. They have made their choice.

If, at your very core, you can't tune in to that philosophy, you'd need to set up shop (if you haven't already) in some other freelance sites where you can regularly get 50+, 100+ proposals for a job posting.

There is a market, and there are platforms for clients that want to get 50+ proposals for every job posting.

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