Oct 28, 2020 08:54:53 AM Edited Oct 28, 2020 12:54:51 PM by Rachel E
Oct 28, 2020 09:37:48 AM by Andrea G
Hi Rachel,
Thanks for sharing your feedback with us.
We'll be sure to pass it on to our product team.
Thanks!
Oct 28, 2020 10:27:11 AM Edited Oct 28, 2020 10:29:07 AM by Tonya P
I wonder who will get to decide what an appropriate fee is? Would we hold annual votes by skill group?
Oct 28, 2020 10:31:03 AM by Jennifer M
Tonya P wrote:Maybe Upwork should offer an add-on service to freelancers. Those who want Upwork to screen their prospects for them could pay an extra fee for the service.
lol this is actually not a bad idea. You want Upwork to hold your hand? Cool, you pay them a monthly fee and ask them to help. Let the rest of us do our winner thang.
They kinda tried this a couple years ago (except you didn't pay). Apparently, people need a lot of hand holding but they put those people in with people like me, so we got treated the same. It was kinda insulting getting emailed telling me how to interview. Like dude...c'mon now, give me a leg up against my competition but telling me how to interview is kinda insulting.
Oct 28, 2020 10:40:52 AM Edited Oct 28, 2020 10:44:46 AM by Tonya P
Jennifer M wrote:
Tonya P wrote:Maybe Upwork should offer an add-on service to freelancers. Those who want Upwork to screen their prospects for them could pay an extra fee for the service.
lol this is actually not a bad idea. You want Upwork to hold your hand? Cool, you pay them a monthly fee and ask them to help. Let the rest of us do our winner thang.
They kinda tried this a couple years ago (except you didn't pay). Apparently, people need a lot of hand holding but they put those people in with people like me, so we got treated the same. It was kinda insulting getting emailed telling me how to interview. Like dude...c'mon now, give me a leg up against my competition but telling me how to interview is kinda insulting.
LOL I totally deleted that comment b/c I was afraid they'd run with it and start charging us all to provide prospecting advice. 😬
I mean, I get the whole, "my time is too valuable" for this stuff argument. But, it doesn't take much time at all to click decline--you don't even have to read the invite first. Do we really want clients "educated" into not sending invites to people who might want the gigs? The forums would be flooded with people posting about how dare Upwork scare off their prospects and all the money they lost because Upwork told the prospect not to contact them and that must surely be the reason they aren't getting any invites, and, and, and...
Oct 28, 2020 12:33:39 PM by Rachel E
Oct 28, 2020 08:46:47 PM by Petra R
Rachel E wrote:
I decline jobs that don’t seem to fit my criteria. The problem is that the budget isn’t always shown upfront and all I see is “expert level”. So, assuming it’s expert level, I send a proposal accordingly— only afterwards to realize there’s a total mismatch in the client’s expectations versus their budget.
And?
Negotiate or decline and move on.
Unless you want fees to double, you can't expect Upwork to micromanage every detail.
Oct 28, 2020 03:44:11 PM by Jennifer M
Tonya P wrote:LOL I totally deleted that comment b/c I was afraid they'd run with it and start charging us all to provide prospecting advice. 😬
I mean, I get the whole, "my time is too valuable" for this stuff argument. But, it doesn't take much time at all to click decline--you don't even have to read the invite first. Do we really want clients "educated" into not sending invites to people who might want the gigs? The forums would be flooded with people posting about how dare Upwork scare off their prospects and all the money they lost because Upwork told the prospect not to contact them and that must surely be the reason they aren't getting any invites, and, and, and...
ooooh, my bad. I saw your post before you deleted! If you want me to delete, PM me and I will. I agree with you that the best way to work on Upwork is to let the freelancer handle these things but people don't think ahead.
Oct 28, 2020 12:31:19 PM Edited Oct 28, 2020 12:59:56 PM by Rachel E
Oct 28, 2020 09:30:24 PM by Petra R
Rachel E wrote:
Upwork isn’t doing enough to educate clients on what the market rates are for each industry at various experience levels.
Because that is not their job. There is no way in the world they can decide what the right rate is for every freelancer-client combo in every type of job.
You are looking at a global marketplace with US-based blinkers
Apr 3, 2021 09:01:40 AM by Kelly B
Petra R wrote:
Rachel E wrote:
Upwork isn’t doing enough to educate clients on what the market rates are for each industry at various experience levels.Because that is not their job. There is no way in the world they can decide what the right rate is for every freelancer-client combo in every type of job.
You are looking at a global marketplace with US-based blinkers
I fully admit that I am too, but it seems to me like there's a pretty easy fix. SHOW ME WHAT THE PRICE IS IN THE INVITATION.
Right now when I click on an invitation, it shows the Experience Level and whether a job is Fixed Rate or Hourly, but it doesn't show what the rate is. If I click on the job posting, however, it does. So today I clicked on a job posting from an invitation that said Expert Level with a Fixed Rate for a logo design ... and the rate was $100. I understand that somewhere other than the U.S. that might be a great rate for a freelancer, but to me, a great logo takes more than 2 hours to design, and therefore my hourly rate is clearly a mismatch. But even so, if Upwork would just SHOW ME THE FIXED RATE ON THE INVITATION rather than making me take the extra step of clicking on the job posting (why aren't those the same??) then I could just decline instantly.
And just forget the Expert, Intermediate, Entry level tags. Of course everyboday wants an expert and also wants to pay as little as possible. The tags are clearly meaningless if the rates are meant to be global.
Oct 28, 2020 12:49:49 PM by Rachel E
Oct 28, 2020 12:20:37 PM by Carlos L
I pointed out this situation several months ago: client asking for expert level, the rates between 3 and 5 dollars. Communities Gurues said in that occasion that taking any action would mean to invite clients to get away. I don't know at this point. But the scheme of these clients may look offending, inappropiate, unrealistic. Maybe flag the job as "unrealistic expectations" but don't know whether Upwork will take that into account.
Oct 28, 2020 08:28:12 PM by Richard R
Eh... they are annoying but I would say let them be. In the end they will get what they pay for. Regulation will only drive clients away from the platform.
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