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Shannon L Community Member

Job Post Generator (Beta)

Starting in late April, some clients can use a job post generator when posting a job.

 

Check out the product update for Job Post Generator (Beta) and let us know your thoughts about this update in the comments below.

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Clark's avatar
Clark S Community Member

I get the feeling a lot of clients will be using this.

Aymn's avatar
Aymn D Community Member

Good luck 

Alper's avatar
Alper D Community Member

As a freelancer, one thing i'm missing is well written job posts. Most clients refrain from describing their problem clearly. "I need a node.js developer!" doesn't tell much to me. Jumping on the AI hype-wagon is nice, i'm just scared that this will further motivate clients to share nothing about their problem and post some search engine optimized word salad. This won't bring better close rates. On the other hand, motivating clients to better describe their problems or projects would increase quality of freelancers applying, resulting in better close rates. 

Eshaal's avatar
Eshaal I Community Member

i need

 

Jeanne's avatar
Jeanne H Community Member

What do you need?

 

Use the Academy at the top of the page. You need to learn the rules and create a profile.

Jason M's avatar
Jason M S Community Member

"This five-week test aims to assist clients in defining their job requirements, helping them post more jobs..."

 

So, could someone create multiple fake jobs in quick succession without any kind of manual checks?

Clark's avatar
Clark S Community Member

I saw that Upwork is testing a new feature that allows some clients to use AI to help write job descriptions.

 

Will this drive some clients to post more jobs or does using AI to post a job even matter?

Kim's avatar
Kim F Community Member


Clark S wrote:

I saw that Upwork is testing a new feature that allows some clients to use AI to help write job descriptions.

 

Will this drive some clients to post more jobs or does using AI to post a job even matter?


Excuse me while I bang my head on a wall...

 

I guess it will encourage some and put off others, clients being people and all that.

 

It matters to me. At the minimum we'll go from 'not totally clear what you want' to 'not totally clear and also boring to read'. But more importantly, there's a whole lot you can read between the lines when an actual human posts. Tone, word choice and amount of detail posted gives useful info about the client, not just the project. AI versions will make it harder to work out whether or not you're likely to make a good fit. In fact, it matters *a lot* to me as I mainly do editing and I take these things into account when deciding whether or not to respond. Maybe it's not so much of a deal to people in other fields or those who are less fussy about who they work with.

 

Yet another nail in the coffin.

Clark's avatar
Clark S Community Member

I agree, and I think it will make many clients lazy when posting their jobs.

 

I totally expect to see job descriptions where the client generates the description using Upwork's AI algorithm, but never bothers to customize the description based on their specific job. Then, freelancers read the unaltered, untailored job description, think they're a good fit, and respond to it. Finally, the client receives a bunch of proposals and wonders why the cover letters don't make much sense for the job they posted.

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Christine A Community Member


Kim F wrote:

Tone, word choice and amount of detail posted gives useful info about the client, not just the project. AI versions will make it harder to work out whether or not you're likely to make a good fit. In fact, it matters *a lot* to me as I mainly do editing and I take these things into account when deciding whether or not to respond. Maybe it's not so much of a deal to people in other fields or those who are less fussy about who they work with.

I couldn't agree more. I wouldn't respond to any job post that sounds like it's AI generated - I want to know if I'm dealing with someone who sounds like a reasonable, professional person who can communicate clearly. This is also going to make it a lot easier for scammers to generate legitimate-sounding job posts.


Kim F wrote:

Yet another nail in the coffin.

Yep. But I guess it doesn't matter, since it sounds like clients are mostly getting AI-generated proposals in response to their posts anyway. 

Jason M's avatar
Jason M S Community Member

Exactly.

 

Which raises the question: Why is AI being employed to flood the marketplace with generic job postings when it could be used to protect freelancers from spam, scams and other suspicious activities? 

 

Sounds like the biggest gift to scammers in years.

Kelly's avatar
Kelly E Community Member

**Edited for Community Guidelines**

 

Already so many job listings demand we prove we are not AI in responding to them, with weird secret words etc.

 

Now there's no proof they are not AI, posting at us. So we make more and more effort to be custom and personal... & they don't even take the time to write their own listing. Too-many-to-one, because UW does not have enough quality jobs on site and is putting their efforts into attracting low-q fls instead of high-q employers... becomes too-many-to-zero.

 

I actually had to ask a job poster in messages the other day, if he was a bot.

 

Tbh he said no... but never having said any more in response, I suspect he was.

 

Now the spams-and-scams can start earlier, with UW's approval.

 

😞

Clark's avatar
Clark S Community Member

Good points.

 

The announcement states: "This five-week test aims to assist clients in defining their job requirements, helping them post more jobs and ensuring that the right freelancers can find them."

 

I think "post more jobs" is the primary goal, but only Upwork will know if more AI-generated jobs are posted over the next five weeks. I think it might increase spam job posts, and like Christine mentioned, those scammers now have an easier way to create better sounding job descriptions.

Kim's avatar
Kim F Community Member



Clark S wrote:

Good points.

 

The announcement states: "This five-week test aims to assist clients in defining their job requirements, helping them post more jobs and ensuring that the right freelancers can find them."


Twaddle. If Upwork truly wanted the right freelancers to find clients, they'd improve the search process by re-instating the categories they merrily deleted a while ago, and ideally adding more.  (For example, by removing 'creative writing' they've lost the fiction projects that used to occasionally appear to be replaced by romantic werewolves for pennies a book.) And by changing the specialised profiles they removed the ability for clients to find freelancers in specific fields. 

 

There's no point in more jobs being posted unless people can find each other and those jobs are actually awarded.

Kelly's avatar
Kelly E Community Member

Exactly, Kim—

 

With the freelancer-to-legit-job situation at a low, all "more jobs" (without increasing quality) really means, is "more connects used by desperate freelancers giving Upwork one last fling."

Christine's avatar
Christine A Community Member


Kim F wrote:


Clark S wrote:

Good points.

 

The announcement states: "This five-week test aims to assist clients in defining their job requirements, helping them post more jobs and ensuring that the right freelancers can find them."


 


I don't see how it will help clients to post more jobs anyway. They either have a role that needs to be filled, or they don't. I doubt that anyone has been thinking to themselves, "I'd post a lot more jobs, if only I could find the right words."

Kelly's avatar
Kelly E Community Member

More jobs is NOT more jobs of quality. It's not even, more *real* jobs.

 

(Not aiming that at you, Clark, just at the absurd announcement.)

Clark's avatar
Clark S Community Member

(Not aiming that at you, Clark, just at the absurd announcement.)

No, I wasn't thinking that at all.

 

I, too, was wondering why a client would post more jobs because of AI assistance. I guess if a client has 15 jobs, but is slow to post them because it takes too much time, maybe they would post them sooner rather than later since an AI tool will generate the job description faster? That only makes sense if they have 15 job requirements/roles to fill.

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Francesca T Community Member

Hi guys, anyone has an idea on why some job posting have this disclaimer (i.e. "Note: Some of the content in this job post may have been auto-generated using advanced AI.")?

 

Could it be spam? 

 

I've seen a lot of them in the last 2 days...

Valeria's avatar
Valeria K Community Member

Hi All,

We recently launched this test for a new optional tool to help clients define job requirements and quickly build enhanced project descriptions.

We're closely monitoring this ongoing test and its impact on job quality, hire rates, and the marketplace. We know there have been some concerns and want to assure you that this test will not affect our Trust & Safety team's work in detecting and addressing spam and scam job postings.
We truly appreciate your feedback! To better track overarching themes and trends, we have consolidated related posts into one feedback thread. Please keep sharing your thoughts with us, and we will keep sharing them with our product teams.

~ Valeria
Upwork
Kim's avatar
Kim F Community Member


Valeria K wrote:

Hi All,  

We know there have been some concerns and want to assure you that this test will not affect our Trust & Safety team's work in detecting and addressing spam and scam job postings.


I didn't notice this immediately but now I have, I'm horrified. The test should  affect the T&S team's work because the nature of posts is different. Wording etc that identifies scams will be different. Detecting and addressing scams will involve different approaches. When one thing changes, another has to.

 

Ignoring this means scammers are being told to let rip.

Mistry's avatar
Mistry J Community Member

sir how i earn money from upwork because I am a student and i have to work on side

Jeanne's avatar
Jeanne H Community Member

I see nothing to prevent it. Upwork does no vetting of the clients, nor do they even look at the job postings. That's supposed to be the freelancers' responsibility to flag the scams for them. There is nothing preventing clients from posting multiple fake or real jobs. With this aid to scam, the numbers and level of deception is going way up. The number of "jobs" real or scams, looks good to the market and investors. Until, that is, you realize 80% and higher of the jobs posted are scams. That does not include the people who are and will increasingly be fishing for cheap prices across multiple platforms.

 

Short-term financial boost in connects, increased scammers, and deleterious impact on the platform will be the result.

Jeanne's avatar
Jeanne H Community Member

Ah, excellent! Upwork is so perfect, without a single area of issues or outright problems they are spending time, money, and 'net space for a wonderful new thingy to make the scammers even better, and the clients deliver an even more confusing tangle of a job descriptions for the betterment of all!

 

Of course, it will allow for more scammers and clients who want to play with AI, believing if Upwork wants them to use it, it must be great. Hey, why not post more projects? With AI, I can create jobs to my heart's content. Cool.

 

Yes, cool for Upwork. As you and other people have stated, this is a good thing for Upwork, but in no way will this help the clients or the freelancers.

 

Upwork, forget the (&$_@(*^+ connects. Obviously, the company is in a big hurt and desperately needs money. I know you want anything with a pulse to be a paying freelancer, but this cash grab isn't working for the platform. Sure, it's going to get you that connect money, but it is destroying the quality of the platform. Set a fee for applying that is high enough to make some real money and stop looking for quick cash in connects. But, this won't happen because Upwork is obsessed with the millions of unskilled freelancers who believe the propaganda and throw connects at jobs they will never get.

 

Prepare for the scams to increase and become even more difficult to discern. I predict that Upwork will continue to use AI, aiding many who use it to pretend to be legitimate clients or freelancers. Gone are the legitimate concerns over plagiarism, who cares. The connects are the thing!