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So, today this happens.

 

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Well...the C-wrap has truly hit the fan in good olde RSA. Economy shattered - and the virus causing havoc with hospitals not having the capacity to deal with everything. And this is the truth, not the propaganda.

Hi Irene, take good care of yourself and stay safe!

 

Spain has more than 100 active regrowths now.
Some areas have returned to phase 2.
People are behaving really stupid here (domestic and foreign)


Maria T wrote:

Spain has more than 100 active regrowths now.
Some areas have returned to phase 2.
People are behaving really stupid here (domestic and foreign)


It is such a SHAME when all the hard work and sacrifice goes to waste.

 

It's happening in many places. I'm still limiting contact to trusted delivery drivers and avoid any supermarkets and so on. 

 

The gated community where I live consists to 80% of holiday homes, which are empty most of the year (making it very peaceful from September to May) and usually it's a circus by mid July, but I noticed that around half are still empty, so people aren't even visiting their own (second) properties.

 

With the darned thing still exploding in the Americas, it will unfortunately be a very long time before we get anywhere near anything approaching the new normal.


Happy to see New Zealand has is contained. I looked at them with admiration from the start.

It's increasing dramatically in my county - not just new cases, but also deaths.  We are now required to wear masks pretty much everywhere and all the time.  The bars in New Orleans have walked back and now only have pick-up and curbside delivery.

I wish they would make masks in supermarkets (at least) mandatory here in France. Most women wear them - but I have noticed a sort of macho refusal among men from the age of about 50 upwards. Sorry guys, that is not meant to be sexist - just what I have observed. 

 

The very young of either sex don't care. They think they are immune and that they are the only ones that count. But it is becoming increasingly obvious that the younger generation are being affected and are dying, not at the same rate as older people, but it is increasing.  

 


Petra R wrote:

Happy to see New Zealand has is contained. I looked at them with admiration from the start.


We are indeed very lucky, but in all fairness, it's been a lot easier for us to contain it than for the rest of the world. That said, we are now facing the problem of people escaping from isolation facilities to go shopping.

So much for the nonsense concept of "herd immunity"

 

I copped a lot of heat from the start for saying the idea is deeply flawed and likely won't work, and even if it could theoretically work (it turns out it can't), trying to achieve it would cost millions of lives.

 


Maria T wrote:

Hi Irene, take good care of yourself and stay safe!

 

Spain has more than 100 active regrowths now.
Some areas have returned to phase 2.
People are behaving really stupid here (domestic and foreign)


I'll put my two cents in it.

The growth is totally fine as long as medical system can cope with it. If hospitals are overflowed with those who ill of pneumonia, that's really bad. If hospitals are alright, then nothing to worry about.

The virus cannot be stopped. The creation of vaccine is vague. I've been hearing news for many months: we're close, here it will come soon, yes, yes, just wait a little bit, so many candidates already, blabla. Vaccine is not coming.

There is actually a way to stop the virus: everybody stays locked down for two weeks (or better a month). But that's obviously not possible.


Aleksandr S wrote:

There is actually a way to stop the virus: everybody stays locked down for two weeks (or better a month).


Been there, done that for 1.5 months, failed to meet the goal. Seeing how none of the predictions really amounted to anything tangible, hoping that the virus makes a stage exit in the same way it came on the international stage, fast and furious and leaving everyone speechless. Then we can all go back to discussing Upwork's color scheme choice and again perceive Petra's choice of home abroad as perfect.

~ Vladimir
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Vladimir G wrote:

Aleksandr S wrote:

There is actually a way to stop the virus: everybody stays locked down for two weeks (or better a month).


Been there, done that for 1.5 months, failed to meet the goal. Seeing how none of the predictions really amounted to anything tangible, hoping that the virus makes a stage exit in the same way it came on the international stage, fast and furious and leaving everyone speechless. Then we can all go back to discussing Upwork's color scheme choice and again perceive Petra's choice of home abroad as perfect.


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I did it for three months and am still cautious. Vlad, it will pass. It's not a flu virus, I know, but Spanish flu, which was truly catastrophic did eventually take a back seat. The plague that decimated Europe in the 14th century still left enough people to  create the world as we know it. We just need to be sensible and get through it.

 

If we can't jump on a plane or go to discos for the moment - so be it. But you will be OK. Things are going to get more difficult before they get better, but it will get better. 

 

There are positive things about this flรฉau - we have cleaner air, if only temporarily, but it should make us stop and think. 

 

Colour scheme: green ( I remember snarling about this at the merger. I have changed my mind!). 


Vladimir G wrote:

Aleksandr S wrote:

There is actually a way to stop the virus: everybody stays locked down for two weeks (or better a month).


Been there, done that for 1.5 months, failed to meet the goal. Seeing how none of the predictions really amounted to anything tangible, hoping that the virus makes a stage exit in the same way it came on the international stage, fast and furious and leaving everyone speechless. Then we can all go back to discussing Upwork's color scheme choice and again perceive Petra's choice of home abroad as perfect.


As far as I could see it in my city, the lockdown was fake. Lots of people walking, going about their business, children playing with other children, queues on bus stops, crowds in churches and in metro, not keeping distance in shops. The criteria were not met. Can't say the same for other countries and cities though.


Aleksandr S wrote:


As far as I could see it in my city, the lockdown was fake. Lots of people walking, going about their business, children playing with other children, queues on bus stops, crowds in churches and in metro, not keeping distance in shops. The criteria were not met. Can't say the same for other countries and cities though.


It was very widely observed here in Italy (I think the overall death and carnage of the early days really hit home hard.)

 

Restrictions have largely been lifted but numbers are staying low in Italy simply because people learned to socially distance responsibly. I've been worried with the rise in Spain and worry about the usual August madness here in Italy making people act irresponsibly. Germany is worried too because cases are creeping up. 

 

To be honest, I am still shielding. I go to the beach before dawn so the dog can run. I have not been in a shop of any kind since... February I believe. Let alone a bus etc.

 

This will not go away until there is a vaccine and a treatment.  We might as well get used to a "new normal"

 


Petra R wrote:


It was very widely observed here in Italy (I think the overall death and carnage of the early days really hit home hard.)

 

Restrictions have largely been lifted but numbers are staying low in Italy simply because people learned to socially distance responsibly. I've been worried with the rise in Spain and worry about the usual August madness here in Italy making people act irresponsibly. Germany is worried too because cases are creeping up. 

 

To be honest, I am still shielding. I go to the beach before dawn so the dog can run. I have not been in a shop of any kind since... February I believe. Let alone a bus etc.

 

This will not go away until there is a vaccine and a treatment.  We might as well get used to a "new normal"

 


I think, for now, it is the best thing to do, if you can do it, of course.
We are also maintaining a "confinement" as much as possible.
We have no choice but to take buses to go shopping, but very few people move in them and we are all very aware to be careful. Actually, we are all like family.
Spain, I am afraid, will end with a new confinement. Things are going wrong, and August has not started Smiley Frustrated


Maria T wrote:


We have no choice but to take buses to go shopping, but very few people move in them and we are all very aware to be careful. 

I am now 100% shopping online, while still supporting family owned businesses ๐Ÿ™‚

 

Trying to buy as much from those as possible, the rest comes from Amazon.

 

We have been in lockdown since March this year. You are not allowed outside your home without a mask. Govt. has clamped down on just about most freedoms. Luckily, my daughter could go back to work a month ago...She (actually I as my name is on the registration documents) owns a one-man business. She is still trying to catch up on the rental payments that she could not make due to not being able to work.

 

But this lockdown has impacted my family tremendously. My husband cannot work. He is only cleared for work at post level one of lockdown. This means no work, no pay. And as he runs his own business...well... it's getting lame talking to the bank about home payments and such. AND his job sees him flying to Botswana, Namibia, and Mozambique. So... ha! He CAN go, but for one day's work, for example, he has to come back and go into 14 days' quarantine. And this is if he is there for one day only (usually about 2-5 days). So, in effect, they say he can work 2 days per month. How the heck do you run a business that sees you having to go to meetings (can't do it via the internet because his work entails him having to physically BE at a place, do the needed inspections, and make the necessary recommendations and such)... and dealing with people all over the globe at the same time. And if he has to work here, he can't do it outside the province without permission. But if he DOES get permission, he has to be home the same day because he can't stay over because it has to be at a PERMITTED hotel or such and not a B&B as he usually does - because most hotels and all B&B's are still closed. Of course, the PERMITTED accommodation is hellishly expensive. 

 

Catch-22, no?

 

And he can't get a local job because of our country's 26 years' BEE restrictions. 

 

At present, my income is what puts food on the table, pays our electricity, water, rates and taxes, and of course, internet and such. It is a S^&&tshow. 

 

And then something was just published about limiting freedom of speech (internet and otherwise) with hefty fines or possible jail time involved. 

 

 

 

 


Irene B wrote:

We have been in lockdown since March this year. You are not allowed outside your home without a mask. Govt. has clamped down on just about most freedoms. Luckily, my daughter could go back to work a month ago...She (actually I as my name is on the registration documents) owns a one-man business. She is still trying to catch up on the rental payments that she could not make due to not being able to work.

 

But this lockdown has impacted my family tremendously. My husband cannot work. He is only cleared for work at post level one of lockdown. This means no work, no pay. And as he runs his own business...well... it's getting lame talking to the bank about home payments and such. AND his job sees him flying to Botswana, Namibia, and Mozambique. So... ha! He CAN go, but for one day's work, for example, he has to come back and go into 14 days' quarantine. And this is if he is there for one day only (usually about 2-5 days). So, in effect, they say he can work 2 days per month. How the heck do you run a business that sees you having to go to meetings (can't do it via the internet because his work entails him having to physically BE at a place, do the needed inspections, and make the necessary recommendations and such)... and dealing with people all over the globe at the same time. And if he has to work here, he can't do it outside the province without permission. But if he DOES get permission, he has to be home the same day because he can't stay over because it has to be at a PERMITTED hotel or such and not a B&B as he usually does - because most hotels and all B&B's are still closed. Of course, the PERMITTED accommodation is hellishly expensive. 

 

Catch-22, no?

 

And he can't get a local job because of our country's 26 years' BEE restrictions. 

 

At present, my income is what puts food on the table, pays our electricity, water, rates and taxes, and of course, internet and such. It is a S^&&tshow. 

 

And then something was just published about limiting freedom of speech (internet and otherwise) with hefty fines or possible jail time involved. 

 

 

 

 


Irene, I am very sorry for what you are going through. You, your family and the country.
I hope that, inside the bad, all of you are well (including the hens)
At least, is work coming to you?
Take care!

Yes, I fortunately have some long-term clients that are keeping me slightly afloat for the most part. Thanks for asking. I appreciate it.

Irene, your story should make more than few of the whiners and grousers start appreciate what they have.  Beautiful as South Africa is ... that is untenable.

 

Maria, it beaks my heart to have to agree with you; at the current rate Spain is headed into a serious 2nd wave. Yes, tourism is crucial to the economy ... but the govt. need to stop visitors from coming.  Especially anywhere along the  . For some reason common sense flees when confronted with sun and surf.  Take care, my friend.

ยกGracias Wendy!
The numbers are increasing rapidly.
The central government and that of the autonomies may not be doing very well, but, in the end, those responsible are the people.
Each of us must do it well, and it is not being done.
Take care of yourself too.

Things are on the increase here, too.  We are heavily a tourist economy and the casinos, restaurants, bars and beaches are open, although with restrictions.  The locals seem to be behaving pretty well except for the very vocal minority who believe that the whole thing is a scam.  You cannot go into a store, office or anywhere indoors without a mask and people are being escorted out because of this.  I actually went to the dentist a couple of weeks ago and the precautions were very complete.

 

I'm not so concerned about the increases in numbers of cases as testing is ongoing daily in my town.  I am, however, terribly concerned about the increase of deaths.  And then you hear that everyone with Covid who dies is being counted, even if they had a mild case and died of cancer or something else. So who knows what's really going on?

 

School is open here.  You either go virtually or in person, no splitting it up.  All kids are wearing masks and after one week open, 200 kids are in quarantine already because of a teacher.  You can't play with other kids at recess, you can't sit with anyone on the bus, physical education classes are calisthentics - no balls or other equipment.  No sitting with your friends at lunch.  Sounds dreadful,  frankly.

 

Dear Lord, please let this be over.  Sooner rather than later.  I think we've learned our lesson.


Irene B wrote:

Yes, I fortunately have some long-term clients that are keeping me slightly afloat for the most part. Thanks for asking. I appreciate it.


Glad you're ok, and have at least some work. If it had not been for my long term clients, I would be in serious trouble. However, fortunate as we are, I don't think we have even begun to see the extent of the economic carnage the pandemic (and creatures in head scarves) caused here.

 

After 100 days, Covid "finally" came back to New Zealand, the city of Auckland is in lockdown and the rest of the country is at alert level 2. The funny thing is, this all happened while we were booking our flights to back to Germany, for good.

So once again, I'm here with a flight to go back to Europe, hoping they're not going to cancel it...I feel there is a superior power in motion, trying to tell me to stay put.


Valerio S wrote:

After 100 days, Covid "finally" came back to New Zealand, the city of Auckland is in lockdown and the rest of the country is at alert level 2. The funny thing is, this all happened while we were booking our flights to back to Germany, for good.

So once again, I'm here with a flight to go back to Europe, hoping they're not going to cancel it...I feel there is a superior power in motion, trying to tell me to stay put.


Why would you want to go to Germany for good lol?

 

I fear that there will be a real uptick in cases caused by tourists in Italy shortly, and they'll be carrying the virus home with them. The Italians have been pretty sensible since May, but they seem to lose all common sense as soon as August starts. There have been huge parties along the sea front and the nightclubs are packed.

 

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Like every year I can't WAIT until August is over and all the loud tourists and their pesky cars go back to whereever they came from and I can work and sleep in peace again.

 

Luckily the incredibly noisy people who usually spend July and August in the apartment upstairs didn't come this year, and neither did the family of 8 including screaming children who usually seem to live (and fight) on the balcony above my neighbour's place. I am sorry they are missing their holidays (a bit sorry) but I am not sorry to have 50% of the noise of a typical August removed.

 

Oh and we had a wildfire last week. It came scarily close, I could see and hear it just beyond the olive grove that's the other side of my patio. At one point it jumped the main road and engulfed the shrublands in the dunes. The next day we had torrential rain and flooding-

 

2020 is NUTS


Petra R wrote:

Like every year I can't WAIT until August is over and all the loud tourists and their pesky cars go back to whereever they came from and I can work and sleep in peace again.

 

Luckily the incredibly noisy people who usually spend July and August in the apartment upstairs didn't come this year...


Funny,  I somehow got the idea that you lived in a small isolated house in the middle of nowhere. It seems it's not the idyll that I thought it was.  ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

 

The main problem we have around here at this time of the year is the noxious stink of rotting seaweed.  It's really bad at the moment after a spell of hot weather.  I'm hoping for a big storm to wash it away.  Maybe today. 

Renier,,,,,,Yup!!

 

And SOME time this weekend we will hear what is in store for us next. Incompetence does not even explain it.


Richard W wrote: Funny,  I somehow got the idea that you lived in a small isolated house in the middle of nowhere. It seems it's not the idyll that I thought it was.  ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

I would, if I could afford to ๐Ÿ˜„

 

But this is probably the right compromise, I live in a ground floor apartment with my own entrance, and 10-11 months of the year there is nobody on either side or above me. All I can see from by back door and windows is greenery and olive grove and my tangerine tree.

 

So mostly it feels like a small house in the middle of nowhere.


Its just July and August it's bad

 


Richard W wrote: The main problem we have around here at this time of the year is the noxious stink of rotting seaweed.  It's really bad at the moment after a spell of hot weather.  I'm hoping for a big storm to wash it away.  Maybe today. 

Fingers crossed for a nice storm for you


Petra R wrote:

Valerio S wrote:

After 100 days, Covid "finally" came back to New Zealand, the city of Auckland is in lockdown and the rest of the country is at alert level 2. The funny thing is, this all happened while we were booking our flights to back to Germany, for good.

So once again, I'm here with a flight to go back to Europe, hoping they're not going to cancel it...I feel there is a superior power in motion, trying to tell me to stay put.


Why would you want to go to Germany for good lol?


With a baby on the way, we wanted to be closer to friends and family (my wife is German), we've already lived in Hamburg for a couple of years and fell in love with the city, plus my wife has a very good job opportunity there so we decided it was time to go back and settle down.

I guess I'll have to ramp up my German and my tolerance for horrible weather.

 


Valerio S wrote:

I guess I'll have to ramp up my German and my tolerance for horrible weather.

 


I'd have to ramp up my tolerance for (the average) Germans before I go back lol


Petra R wrote:


I'd have to ramp up my tolerance for (the average) Germans before I go back lol


Aahahahahahahaha, probably I'd say the same if I would ever decide to go back to Italy.


Irene B wrote:

Renier,,,,,,Yup!!

 

And SOME time this weekend we will hear what is in store for us next. Incompetence does not even explain it.


Well, it seems most of got what we wanted or needed, except the piper, who will likely only get paid in about 20 years's time. Just in time for my grandchlidren to contribute to the interest payments.  

It is a mess here in India.

Hospital beds are hard to find in the major cities, and they come at exorbitant rates.

Meds are being sold in the back market.

Lost an aunt to covid-19, and my sister and brother-in-law are infected, but fortunately, they are recovering without special care.

 

"Certa bonum certamen"

Dear, dear Ravi - I am so sorry to hear that.  There is very little about India/ Covid in the news here but I feared it was really bad.  Come back to the US - I'm sure Carbondale misses you!

In Europe, this is NOT a second wave, it is stilll the first.  Nobody has understood what must happen with the new economics. No - they had to allow the summer raves, the beach conglomerations, the airplane virus carriers. Money comes first right? 

may that people know that they bear the virus but no. For them the fun, and for their neighbors the problems.

No, Covid, understand, you are not, repeat, not, welcome everywhere.

petra_r
Community Member

August has undone much of the good work Italy has done since May.

 

August means holidays and holidays means people behave terribly irresponsibly ๐Ÿ˜ž

 

Back above 1000 new cases in 24 hours.


Sigh

School is keeping us from improving our numbers.  And the schools are not reporting cases, either among students or teachers, except in the general population numbers.  Rumor has it that our local high school has 125 people in quarantine but who know?  And are any of them teachers??

 

And now we're facing a tropical storm with a hurricane for dessert.  God help the poor people who have nowhere to go except to a shelter.  I wouldn't wish that on  my worst enemy.  And the shelters are telling everyone to bring their own masks, sanitizer, etc.


Mary W wrote:

School is keeping us from improving our numbers.  And the schools are not reporting cases, either among students or teachers, except in the general population numbers.  Rumor has it that our local high school has 125 people in quarantine but who know?  And are any of them teachers??

 

And now we're facing a tropical storm with a hurricane for dessert.  God help the poor people who have nowhere to go except to a shelter.  I wouldn't wish that on  my worst enemy.  And the shelters are telling everyone to bring their own masks, sanitizer, etc.


Be careful!


Valerio S wrote:

Petra R wrote:

Valerio S wrote:

After 100 days, Covid "finally" came back to New Zealand, the city of Auckland is in lockdown and the rest of the country is at alert level 2. The funny thing is, this all happened while we were booking our flights to back to Germany, for good.

So once again, I'm here with a flight to go back to Europe, hoping they're not going to cancel it...I feel there is a superior power in motion, trying to tell me to stay put.


Why would you want to go to Germany for good lol?


With a baby on the way, we wanted to be closer to friends and family (my wife is German), we've already lived in Hamburg for a couple of years and fell in love with the city, plus my wife has a very good job opportunity there so we decided it was time to go back and settle down.

I guess I'll have to ramp up my German and my tolerance for horrible weather.

 


Make sure you have daycare covered that is what really sucks in Germany and is the reason why I moved further north.

And now, our entire high school is quarantined for the next two weeks.  Trusting parents to send only healthy kids to school clearly doesn't work.  

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