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So, today this happens.

 

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I'm with you, we will have to wait a couple of weeks to see how everything evolves now that the restrictions are being gradually opened.
From what has been seen here with the little that can still be done, I do not want to think what will happen when mobility is allowed throughout the country, and entry from other countries is allowed.
We will see.
Be very careful, everyone.


Maria T wrote:

I do not want to think what will happen when mobility is allowed throughout the country, and entry from other countries is allowed.


Yes. I have no intention of going anywhere for quite a while still.

 

I have become an expert in finding wonderful food that gets delivered (and am supporting smaller businesses rather than supermarket chains in the process...)

 

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Here in France the lockdown has, kinda, ended on May 11. Bars, restaurants, movie theaters, gyms, bigger malls, well anything gathering people indoors remains closed. Some non-food businesses are still closed and will start to reopen next week, by choice.

Moving more than 100 km is still forbidden unless proven necessity.

 

Counties are divided into green and red ones, according to how much of virus is still circulating. Parks are reopening in green counties.

 

Went downtown Paris yesterday to shop for some audio gear. I'd say 50% wear masks outside streets and most inside shops.

 

Many are still scared and avoid social interactions. We'll see how this develops.

 

Government has paid for partial unemployment, but the overall financial burden will hit us hard. I hope there will be no second wave.

 

 

 

 

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"Where darkness shines like dazzling light"   โ€”William Ashbless

I planned to take my daughter to the Paris Disneyland on her 5th birthday in the middle of June. I procrastinated with booking an apartment and buying plane tickets, and then the virus hit. 

 

I'm kind of happy I did not spend money, because it's difficult to get refund now. But on the other hand, there will be very little options for a party next month or two.


Aleksandr S wrote:

I planned to take my daughter to the Paris Disneyland on her 5th birthday in the middle of June. I procrastinated with booking an apartment and buying plane tickets, and then the virus hit. 

 

I'm kind of happy I did not spend money, because it's difficult to get refund now. But on the other hand, there will be very little options for a party next month or two.


I'd like to think it will get better by then but Russia is looking to be on a very scary trajectory right now and no, there likely won't be any parties in June- But if she's 5 maybe she won't know when her birthday is and you can celebrate later?

 

Rene K wrote:

I hope there will be no second wave.


I hope so too. Not so much because I believe there won't be one, but because after months of thi I need to have hope.

 


Petra R wrote:

Aleksandr S wrote:

I planned to take my daughter to the Paris Disneyland on her 5th birthday in the middle of June. I procrastinated with booking an apartment and buying plane tickets, and then the virus hit. 

 

I'm kind of happy I did not spend money, because it's difficult to get refund now. But on the other hand, there will be very little options for a party next month or two.


I'd like to think it will get better by then but Russia is looking to be on a very scary trajectory right now and no, there likely won't be any parties in June- But if she's 5 maybe she won't know when her birthday is and you can celebrate later?

 


The daily increase is decreasing (hmm, or decrease is increasing). So the situation becomes a little bit better every day.

 

Nah, she already knows that her birthday is coming. Everyone will be calling to celebrate her. We're going to get along with a big cake and a ton of presents.

 

And balloons. All the ceiling is covered with balloons.


Petra R wrote:

Aleksandr S wrote:

I planned to take my daughter to the Paris Disneyland on her 5th birthday in the middle of June. I procrastinated with booking an apartment and buying plane tickets, and then the virus hit. 

 

I'm kind of happy I did not spend money, because it's difficult to get refund now. But on the other hand, there will be very little options for a party next month or two.


I'd like to think it will get better by then but Russia is looking to be on a very scary trajectory right now and no, there likely won't be any parties in June- But if she's 5 maybe she won't know when her birthday is and you can celebrate later?


Oh, they know and they know about all their friend's birthdays as well. They know what they want for cake and of course the presents months ahead. They know better about their birthday then Xmas.


Jennifer R wrote:

Oh, they know and they know about all their friend's birthdays as well. They know what they want for cake and of course the presents months ahead. They know better about their birthday then Xmas.


Our daughter once saw a child's colorful suitcase in the airport. Now when we ask her about a present, she answers: a suitcase! A 5yr old girls wants a suitcase!


Aleksandr S wrote:


Our daughter once saw a child's colorful suitcase in the airport. Now when we ask her about a present, she answers: a suitcase! A 5yr old girls wants a suitcase!


All I ever wanted was a horse. 

 

Is she getting a colourful suitcase??

 

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Jennifer R wrote:

Oh, they know and they know about all their friend's birthdays as well. They know what they want for cake and of course the presents months ahead. 


Ah, spot the non-mother lol. I didn't like birthdays as much because of the lack of a horse for so many of them...


Petra R wrote:

Aleksandr S wrote:


Our daughter once saw a child's colorful suitcase in the airport. Now when we ask her about a present, she answers: a suitcase! A 5yr old girls wants a suitcase!


All I ever wanted was a horse. 

 

Is she getting a colourful suitcase??

 

suitcase.png

 


Jennifer R wrote:

Oh, they know and they know about all their friend's birthdays as well. They know what they want for cake and of course the presents months ahead. 


Ah, spot the non-mother lol. I didn't like birthdays as much because of the lack of a horse for so many of them...


Of course, she is.

 

She also says she is going to carry it by herself, but we all know that it will last for 5 minutes only. Then here it goes "I'm tired!".

 

I fear she asks a horse (or worse, a unicorn) some day, she likes them too.


Aleksandr S wrote:

Jennifer R wrote:

Oh, they know and they know about all their friend's birthdays as well. They know what they want for cake and of course the presents months ahead. They know better about their birthday then Xmas.


Our daughter once saw a child's colorful suitcase in the airport. Now when we ask her about a present, she answers: a suitcase! A 5yr old girls wants a suitcase!


My boy is totally into books and languages (apart from Lego). He wants Julia Donaldsons Highway Rat in English, German and Norwegian, because he cannot decide which version is best. A comploiment to the translators. We got the German audiobook of one of his favorite Norwegian books the other day and he keeps pointing out the "mistakes".


Jennifer R wrote:

Aleksandr S wrote:

Jennifer R wrote:

Oh, they know and they know about all their friend's birthdays as well. They know what they want for cake and of course the presents months ahead. They know better about their birthday then Xmas.


Our daughter once saw a child's colorful suitcase in the airport. Now when we ask her about a present, she answers: a suitcase! A 5yr old girls wants a suitcase!


My boy is totally into books and languages (apart from Lego). He wants Julia Donaldsons Highway Rat in English, German and Norwegian, because he cannot decide which version is best. A comploiment to the translators. We got the German audiobook of one of his favorite Norwegian books the other day and he keeps pointing out the "mistakes".


A kid is keen on languages is something I cannot imagine. How old is he? What we mostly do is misbehaving, playing on the swings, and refusing to eat (except food from McDonalds and Papa Johns). She can read and knows simple English phrases and around a hundred of words, but she will never read or speak for nothing.


Aleksandr S wrote:

Jennifer R wrote:

Aleksandr S wrote:

Jennifer R wrote:

Oh, they know and they know about all their friend's birthdays as well. They know what they want for cake and of course the presents months ahead. They know better about their birthday then Xmas.


Our daughter once saw a child's colorful suitcase in the airport. Now when we ask her about a present, she answers: a suitcase! A 5yr old girls wants a suitcase!


My boy is totally into books and languages (apart from Lego). He wants Julia Donaldsons Highway Rat in English, German and Norwegian, because he cannot decide which version is best. A comploiment to the translators. We got the German audiobook of one of his favorite Norwegian books the other day and he keeps pointing out the "mistakes".


A kid is keen on languages is something I cannot imagine. How old is he? What we mostly do is misbehaving, playing on the swings, and refusing to eat (except food from McDonalds and Papa Johns). She can read and knows simple English phrases and around a hundred of words, but she will never read or speak for nothing.


He is 41/2 and is becoming a walking dictionary. A building burned down in the neighbourhood last weekend and he engaged in a conversation with one of the fire fighters the next day. He learned (in Norwegian) that the fire engine has a water cannon. He called over his dad and told him about it in German just to then tell our Chinese friend (who lost her home in the fire) about the water cannon. This time in English after confirming that kanon is cannon in English.


Aleksandr S wrote:

I fear she asks a horse (or worse, a unicorn) some day, she likes them too.


Being serious for a minute... Getting a little girl into horses is just about the best thing any parent can do to help themselves stay sane during the kid's teenage years, Horses teach so much more than just sport. They are great levelers, they teach responsibility, kindness, fairness, teamwork and that actions have consequences. They teach that when it all goes wrong you must try harder. That when you fall off you get the hell back on. Each different horse teaches a different lesson, some more pleasant than others, all valuable.

 

They serve as friends and take up so much time that girls who are into horses spend so much time safe at the stables cleaning stalls, brushing horses, scrubbing tack, riding, spending time with others who love horses too, that they don't have (any or as much) time for stuff like boys and cigarettes and drugs and drinking and all the other stuff parents worry about. It may not eliminate all those things entirely, but for me they minimized or delayed my interest in them until I was old enough to handle them.

petra_r
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Looks like the curve is bending nicely.

7 day average of daily deaths on a timeline starting when deaths reached 0.1 per million

(Source)

 

Added Norway and New Zealand for Valerio and Jennifer ๐Ÿ™‚

 

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It's nice to see a graph falling like this Smiley Very Happy
I usually look at the infections, and the USA leaves me amazed.
I hope they can deal with so many infected people. If not, it will be a disaster.

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Maria T wrote:

It's nice to see a graph falling like this Smiley Very Happy
I usually look at the infections, and the USA leaves me amazed.
I hope they can deal with so many infected people. If not, it will be a disaster.

 


In fairness, personally I think the total infection numbers look scarier than necessary, simply because the number of people are so different from country to country.

 

We can't compare the numbers of a country with a population of 330 Million (USA) with a country like Norway with a population of 5 and a half Million.

 

So we should rather look at the numbers of total infections per million. The problem with that is that every country is on a different place on the curve. Even a week or 10 days difference from the outbreak makes a huge difference, that' why I kept saying "watch the Italian curve" a couple of months back, when people were still saying "Ah but we don't have many cases!" 

 

When we look at the total cases per million, what is is concerning is that some countries are slowing down (flattening) and others aren't (yet) but again, they're not on the same point of their own timeline.

 

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Thanks for the chart Petra Smiley Wink
Since there are so many options to choose from, and all in English, I go crazy to find what I want!
So we are above the USA! Ummmmh!
We will see how it evolves. Here the restrictions are being relaxed and, to be honest, I'm a little scared.
For now, people are being pretty silly. As soon as they have given a little freedom, it seems that they no longer remember the two months that have passed and the number of people who have died due this.


Petra R wrote:
Maria T wrote:

It's nice to see a graph falling like this Smiley Very Happy
I usually look at the infections, and the USA leaves me amazed.
I hope they can deal with so many infected people. If not, it will be a disaster.

 


In fairness, personally I think the total infection numbers look scarier than necessary, simply because the number of people are so different from country to country.

 

We can't compare the numbers of a country with a population of 330 Million (USA) with a country like Norway with a population of 5 and a half Million.

 

So we should rather look at the numbers of total infections per million. The problem with that is that every country is on a different place on the curve. Even a week or 10 days difference from the outbreak makes a huge difference, that' why I kept saying "watch the Italian curve" a couple of months back, when people were still saying "Ah but we don't have many cases!" 

 

When we look at the total cases per million, what is is concerning is that some countries are slowing down (flattening) and others aren't (yet) but again, they're not on the same point of their own timeline.

 

Cases by million.png

 

 

 

 


I have to add that Norway only tests people that needs to be hospitalised and work in health care and had contact with a confirmed infection.


Jennifer R wrote:


I have to add that Norway only tests people that needs to be hospitalised and work in health care and had contact with a confirmed infection.


Hmmmm, it says here "Anyoone with symptoms and key groups?"

 

And overall, per million, Norway is testing in the same ballpark as other countries

 

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A new wrinkle for USians: we just learned that the CDC and some states have been reporting combined results of viral and antibody tests. It's completely distorting the big picture so the public can't really know how many people are sick or how many have been exposed. And making it impossible for epidemiologists to interpret either result. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-dat...

Navajo Nation, partially in my state of AZ, and in Utah and NM as well, now has the highest infection rate in the country at something like 2300 per 100k. The death rate is still surprisingly below Italy and Spain though at somewhere in the mid 40s.

 

Russia and Brazil are looking concerning as well.

 

I'm quite concerned about the amount of spikes we're going to see here two weeks from this Memorial Day weekend when it looks like many people are going to throw caution to the wind.


Kelly B wrote:

Navajo Nation, partially in my state of AZ, and in Utah and NM as well, now has the highest infection rate in the country at something like 2300 per 100k. The death rate is still surprisingly below Italy and Spain though at somewhere in the mid 40s.

 

Russia and Brazil are looking concerning as well.

 

I'm quite concerned about the amount of spikes we're going to see here two weeks from this Memorial Day weekend when it looks like many people are going to throw caution to the wind.


I share your concern. 


Petra R wrote:

Jennifer R wrote:


I have to add that Norway only tests people that needs to be hospitalised and work in health care and had contact with a confirmed infection.


Hmmmm, it says here "Anyoone with symptoms and key groups?"

 

And overall, per million, Norway is testing in the same ballpark as other countries

 

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Hospital staff got tested several times but so far they only 200 people out of 30k in my town. Most back in March and they closed the "Corona center" last week because noone was placed there.

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When can we stop practicing,  and start for real? 

15850706528305.jpgMakes sense.  Observe,  practice,  and then do. 


Petra R wrote:

Added Norway and New Zealand for Valerio and Jennifer ๐Ÿ™‚


Thank you!

In the last few days we had just a couple of reported cases mostly from one single known cluster. Life on this side of the world is almost back to normal, it's weird to check in and out every time you enter/leave a shop or bar, but we definitely cannot complain.

To spice things up, this morning we've been woken up by an earthquake.


Valerio S wrote:

In the last few days we had just a couple of reported cases mostly from one single known cluster. Life on this side of the world is almost back to normal, it's weird to check in and out every time you enter/leave a shop or bar, but we definitely cannot complain.


Check in and out? How does that work? Is it just to make sure the maximum number of people is not exceeded or is there an actual ID check or recording of who was where when?

 


Valerio S wrote:To spice things up, this morning we've been woken up by an earthquake.

Hope nothing's broken ๐Ÿ™‚

 

 

 


Petra R wrote:

Valerio S wrote:

In the last few days we had just a couple of reported cases mostly from one single known cluster. Life on this side of the world is almost back to normal, it's weird to check in and out every time you enter/leave a shop or bar, but we definitely cannot complain.


Check in and out? How does that work? Is it just to make sure the maximum number of people is not exceeded or is there an actual ID check or recording of who was where when?


The system is fairly easy, when you enter the premises you have to scan a QR code with an app and check-out when you leave, the data collected is only used (hopefully) if someone will test positive in order to trace all the people that he/she has been in contact with, in that case it would  prompt a message on your phone (I think, it didn't happen yet).

Some places are not using apps, but they ask you to fill a form with your contact details and the time when you arrived (no check-out though, which makes it rather useless).


Valerio S wrote:


Check in and out? How does that work? Is it just to make sure the maximum number of people is not exceeded or is there an actual ID check or recording of who was where when?


The system is fairly easy, when you enter the premises you have to scan a QR code with an app and check-out when you leave, the data collected is only used (hopefully) if someone will test positive in order to trace all the people that he/she has been in contact with, in that case it would  prompt a message on your phone (I think, it didn't happen yet).

 


I can see the tin-hat-brigade and the conspiracy theorists have a field day with that... Or do sensible countries not have those?

Where I live, we sign in when we go to a store,, with name, telephone number, date and time.  The reason is contact checking in case someone that works there, or shopped there around your time of entry, tests positive.  In Louisiana, people are outraged.  In Mississippi, people are compliant.  It only makes sense.  I'm sure the information could be obtained from charge receipts (they ask that we only use plastic, no cash) but it would be expensive and time consuming.  Dozens of people have been hired to actually do the notifications.

 

In Missouri, a hairdresser went to work with active Covid and was in contact with at least 140 people.  Contact tracing is important, IMO.

I feel bad for that hairdresser. She tried to get tested more than once and couldn't, because she didn't have a fever. And though I'm sure she wanted to stay home from work, you can't collect unemployment when your place of employment has reopened, and I don't think a lot of hairdressers in the U.S. have paid sick leave.

 

We continue to be unable to provide the amount of testing we need if we're going to continue to open up.


Petra R wrote:


I can see the tin-hat-brigade and the conspiracy theorists have a field day with that... Or do sensible countries not have those?


Oh no worries, we have plenty of those here as well.

Quoting an article from RNZ:

The uptake of the app so far amounts to 13,600 businesses - less than 3 percent of the country's 540,000 businesses - and 380,000 people who've downloaded it.

And this is a rough explanation of how it works

https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/20-05-2020/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-governments-new-contrac...

My county had 509 new cases today, an appalling new record, and Arizona had 3591 new cases, also an appalling new record. The governor has at least finally allowed local govt to override him and require masks.

 

We also have two massive wildfires burning the state.

 

Deaths are still "low" but hospitals are filling up. Sigh.

petra_r
Community Member

Italy is slowly returning to a new normal, although so far the mass influx of tourists that makes my summer months hell every year has been, shall we say "muted!" I feel bad for the businesses that tend to make 80% to 100% of their annual income during June, July and August.

 

I can't pretend to miss the noise and full carpark traffic and so on.

 

I've not done any graphs because there are now such sophisticated interactive tools out there that my amateur efforts have become woefully inadequate.

 

The best one I've found is this one, you can select your country, with many you can drill down to region or state level, and it includes forecasts, hospital bed and ventilator use and so on. It's well worth exploring. One thing I found quite scary is how long Italy had so many less ICU beds than needed...

 

I have been working on a post on the whole journey and how it has changed my world and me, too. It seems like only yesterday that I created this thread and everything changed....

 

Kelly, sorry to hear you guys are still in the thick of it....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

kbadeau
Community Member

I would be very interested in reading that post!

 

Arizona was actually doing very well at the beginning. Low cases compared to say, New York. But then we opened up and it got hot and everyone retreated into the air conditioning and things suddenly got very frightening. The only hope I have is that it's younger people with milder cases but I guess we shall see. ๐Ÿ˜ž

Huge increase here in Mississippi, especially along the coast where I am.  Younger people, too.  Beaches, bars and casinos - oh my!


Mary W wrote:

Huge increase here in Mississippi, especially along the coast where I am.  Younger people, too.  Beaches, bars and casinos - oh my!


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Social distancing works - but so many people think that the pandemic is over and governments, except perhaps Germany, are not doing much to disabuse people of this thought. Six-hundred people have been returned to lockdown in Germany. 

 

The thing that is woefully lacking in communities the world over,  is respect. 

 

Arizona now has more than 1500 cases per 100k population. Lombardy region for comparison had approx 950. Plus it's a thousand degrees out and the place where we would go to escape the heat has been on fire for a month and is closed to the public.

 

My brother and sister in Florida are both waiting (more than 5 days!) for results of their tests.

Melbourne (AU) is once again on full lockdown -

 

And at least half of the US should be ...

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