Oct 25, 2020 04:16:23 AM Edited Oct 25, 2020 03:52:32 PM by Sein M
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Oct 25, 2020 06:41:56 AM by Nikola S
Hi Sein,
Could you please click on my name and send me a PM with more information about the job posts you are referring to? I will be sure to look into your report and escalate it accordingly.
Oct 25, 2020 06:41:56 AM by Nikola S
Hi Sein,
Could you please click on my name and send me a PM with more information about the job posts you are referring to? I will be sure to look into your report and escalate it accordingly.
Oct 25, 2020 04:20:32 AM Edited Oct 25, 2020 03:53:09 PM by Sein M
Oct 25, 2020 04:31:44 AM by Petra R
Sein M wrote:This post says its looking to find a Freelancer -
No, it does not. It says he is looking for a medium level Audio Editing and Post Production Scecialist-
If the job post is not to your liking, you are free to scroll right past it.....
Oct 25, 2020 10:51:25 AM Edited Oct 25, 2020 04:48:06 PM by Sein M
Oct 25, 2020 11:15:37 AM Edited Oct 25, 2020 11:18:13 AM by Petra R
Sein M wrote:Why would I apply to a job post that doesn't explain the job?
To identify the exact deliverables and close the deal?
A job post is a start of a conversation.
Flagging that job post is also a complete waste of time and money. It does in no way violate any terms of service. I would rather that the fees I pay weren't wasted on Upwork staff having to wade through ridiculous flags.
Oct 25, 2020 11:19:47 AM Edited Oct 25, 2020 12:30:04 PM by Sein M
Ok Petra lets see what Upwork says -- I can see we dont seem to agree on this. Thanks for your input
Can I ask you though how is it a waste of time or money to flag a post? Surely its a waste of time, money and connects to apply for a job you arent sure you can or want to do?
Oct 25, 2020 11:05:51 AM Edited Oct 25, 2020 11:07:03 AM by Sein M
Petra, again thanks for trying to help but I feel you might be missing the point:
"..If the job post is not to your liking, you are free to scroll right past it....."
I am also free to ask questions on what happens in the market place. If we just ignore the parts we don't like how does that help anyone or keep the market place safe?
Oct 25, 2020 11:26:53 AM by Preston H
If a client posts an hourly job post, they may not need any more information than the type of person they want to hire.
But always, for all types of job posts, the better the job post is, the better the results will be in terms of finding great freelancers.
Writing effective job posts requires thought and practice. The original poster is correct if he has discerned the fact that some job posts are better than others.
Oct 25, 2020 11:40:01 AM by Sein M
Thanks Preston, I agree. I am feeling a few requirements and more quality control on job posts would really benifit the entire market place.
Oct 25, 2020 11:27:59 AM Edited Oct 25, 2020 11:35:33 AM by Vivek K
Sein M wrote:Why are jobs posts without a correct discription of the work needed allowed to be posted?
Seeems like a basic requirement that can easily be integrated into the posting criteria, so why is it not implemented?
This post says its looking to find a Freelancer - that hardly qualifies as job post. Surely if all client wants to do is find a Freelancer they should just the search bar. I am constantly seeing similar posts.
**Edited for Community Guidelines**
It is desirable that Job posts contain sufficient information. It does have its benefits. But that is not possible for many people. May be they do not know sufficiently about it(The freelancers are experts not the clients), OR are just lazy to do it. But it is not as if all such jobs do not hire people. People get hired and paid for it on many such jobs.
Why would it make sense to close some job which would bring money.
For example: A Job post saying " Need someone for web development " does not have sufficient information. Somebody may be able to do a simple wordpress but may not be skilled enough for something like Youtube or Twitter.
It is a waste of time and efforts for Freelancer whose skills do not match the job.But Those kind of jobs also hire people. It requires extra effort to get the required details.
If you like apply & discuss with the client.If you do not like , just leave it. Somebody else will do it.Let somebody else earn then close the job.
Oct 25, 2020 11:50:45 AM Edited Oct 25, 2020 12:00:08 PM by Sein M
Thanks Vivek I agree more information is desirable in a job post. It is true that weak job posts will still have applicants and potentialy also generate hires, but I really feel having better requirements for job posts is hugely important to the effiecntcy and quality of the markety place right now.
Its a bit disrepectful to be honest if someone is too lazy to explain the work on offer, and freelancers are expected to pay with connects and time for a job post that is sub standard. It also leaves the door wide open for potential problems later, if the work required is not clearly defined from the get go.
I undrstand that also it is sometimes dificult for a person to expalin a job fully but I really feel some kind of standardization is needed on this matter to help protect the quality of the market place.
Oct 25, 2020 01:37:58 PM by Jennifer M
Just post a bid and ask questions if you think there is potential. Easy. Some clients have no idea what they are supposed to ask for. The winners will be able to extract info from the client and figure out if it has potential.
Oct 25, 2020 03:42:25 PM by Sein M
Oct 25, 2020 04:42:09 PM Edited Oct 25, 2020 04:44:13 PM by Preston H
Sein, this thread is not about me, but I can point out that often when I post jobs, I provide the COMPLETE task description... so complete that when I hire a freelancer, I don't talk to them. They follow the task description and send me the files.
This won't work for all types of jobs. But it works when I have commissioned original artwork such as illustrations, icons or posters, or hired writers to write content about specific topics.
I have received a lot of work from freelancers who I never talked to and I don't know if they read the tasks descriptions themselves or had somebody translate for them. They did great work because all details explaining the necessary parameters for the work were included in the post.
Oct 26, 2020 12:35:15 AM Edited Oct 26, 2020 12:39:39 AM by Richard W
1. Upwork doesn't have people checking every job post, because that would be uneconomical.
2. Upwork does (sometimes) take down job posts that violate its rules AFTER those violations have been brought to its attention. But posting a vague job post does not violate Upwork's rules, as far as I know.
3. Might Upwork remove a job post that is flagged for being too vague? I don't know, but I doubt it. Perhaps a moderator could answer that question.
Oct 26, 2020 03:16:30 AM by Sein M
Oct 26, 2020 03:28:19 AM by Jamie F
"medium level Audio Editing and Post Production Scecialist"
I'm going to stick my neck out here and suggest that they might be looking for somebody who can edit audio and is a specialist at post-production. And they are looking for somebody within a mid-range budget.
Just a hunch.
Oct 26, 2020 03:41:44 AM by Sein M
Oct 26, 2020 04:33:33 AM by Jamie F
I really think you're wasting the support team's time with this.
They cost money - and Upwork is already losing money.
Oct 26, 2020 04:49:11 AM by Sein M
Oct 26, 2020 04:57:14 AM by Jamie F
Sein M wrote:
Upwork has expressed interest in investigating and resolving this issue.
Or, more likely, they've given you the same boiler-plate response they do with most of the other 'suggestions' they get and have filed yours in a particular folder where it's unlikely to ever be seen again.
Oct 26, 2020 05:32:04 AM by Gergana K
I agree wholeheartedly with Sein´s views on incomplete job posts and the need for Upwork to be more proactive and exacting in that regard. It already imposes a bunch of requirements that freelancers have to comply with, not to mention the significant fees we pay both in terms of Connects and commissions. (Can you imagine a job fair where candidates have to pay simply to talk to a client or a recruiter? This is exactly the behavior Upwork incentivizes when it encourages freelancers to submit bids to incomplete job posts to find out whether they are a good fit or even worth applying for.) So yes indeed, excercising some oversight towards careless/lazy clients who can´t be bothered to include sufficiently detailed job descriptions in their listings is something I would expect in exchange for the fees Upwork withholds from me. Sein, please keep us updated on how your complaint progresses.
Oct 26, 2020 05:59:35 AM Edited Oct 26, 2020 12:02:42 PM by Sein M
Hi Gerganna. Thank you so much for your interest and support. I agree with you and beleave this is an important issue as it relates to the quality and safety of the market place for everyone.
I am happy to continue intereacting with this post for the time being. I have not made a complaint, just asked a question and reported a job post for not having clearly definable work outlined.
My understanding is freelancers should only apply for jobs that we know we can (and want) to do , which is not possible if work is not clearly defined in a job post. When work is not clearly defined it is a flagable problem that Upwork asks to be told about, as it is not helpful to encourage job posts that don't clearly define the work from the very beginning.
Thank you.
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