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Apr 18, 2020 10:03:33 PM Edited Apr 18, 2020 10:05:31 PM by Petra R
And in case anyone was wondering how Sweden's "Let's keep most things running" policy is working out compared to its Skandinavian neighbours:
The answer is: Not so well.
Apr 19, 2020 01:44:19 AM by Luce N
Sweden: that's terrible news. The good point is that this highlights the necessity of confinement, but the price to pay for this "experiment" is high.
Apr 19, 2020 11:31:21 AM by Jennifer R
Petra R wrote:And in case anyone was wondering how Sweden's "Let's keep most things running" policy is working out compared to its Skandinavian neighbours:
The answer is: Not so well.
Tomorrow kindergarten reopen in Norway. Norwegians have been neglecting to keep their distance in the past two weeks and I expect the number of death to go up. Many students did travel home for Easter and I saw countless grandparents with their grandchilderen in the past days. Noone uses masks and people hardly ever keep their distance. The problem with the numbers is that noone is tested in Norway until it is too late.
Apr 19, 2020 03:14:27 PM by Mary W
Our beaches reopen tomorrow. We had the largest one day increase in cases yesterday (in Mississippi) but that might just be due to massive testing. Our beaches are seldom crowded and especially since there are no tourists in town we should be okay. Schools closed until next school year - no one knows if school will go back early. (Normally they open in mid August). I have to go to the doctor Thursday which will be my first trip to the Real World in 4 weeks.
Apr 19, 2020 09:30:38 PM by Petra R
Jennifer R wrote:Tomorrow kindergarten reopen in Norway. Norwegians have been neglecting to keep their distance in the past two weeks and I expect the number of death to go up.
Still, at the moment Norway is doing well. Better than Germany as far as deaths go actually!
Mary W wrote:Our beaches reopen tomorrow. Our beaches are seldom crowded and especially since there are no tourists in town we should be okay.
Uncrowded beaches don't pose a huge danger I don't think.
Mary W wrote:I have to go to the doctor Thursday which will be my first trip to the Real World in 4 weeks.
It gets to the point where the whole concept of going to a crowded place appears such a weird concept.
Mary W wrote:We had the largest one day increase in cases yesterday (in Mississippi) but that might just be due to massive testing.
That's why I started calculating the actual percentage of tests with a positive result for Italy. The testing numbers have been up and down, so obviously the number of reported cases goes up and down, too.
Today's charts:
Next curves to watch out for: Turkey, and especially Russia, where the curve for reported cases is very steep indeed, but deaths are (so far) low. It looks like they are testing very aggressively, which has made all the difference in other countries to keep deaths low. We'll see.
Apr 19, 2020 10:36:35 PM by Reinier B
@petra_r wrote:
Jennifer R wrote:Tomorrow kindergarten reopen in Norway. Norwegians have been neglecting to keep their distance in the past two weeks and I expect the number of death to go up.
Still, at the moment Norway is doing well. Better than Germany as far as deaths go actually!
Mary W wrote:Our beaches reopen tomorrow. Our beaches are seldom crowded and especially since there are no tourists in town we should be okay.
Uncrowded beaches don't pose a huge danger I don't think.
Mary W wrote:I have to go to the doctor Thursday which will be my first trip to the Real World in 4 weeks.
It gets to the point where the whole concept of going to a crowded place appears such a weird concept.
Mary W wrote:We had the largest one day increase in cases yesterday (in Mississippi) but that might just be due to massive testing.
That's why I started calculating the actual percentage of tests with a positive result for Italy. The testing numbers have been up and down, so obviously the number of reported cases goes up and down, too.
Today's charts:
Next curves to watch out for: Turkey, and especially Russia, where the curve for reported cases is very steep indeed, but deaths are (so far) low. It looks like they are testing very aggressively, which has made all the difference in other countries to keep deaths low. We'll see.
Is there any clarity yet on why the death rate in Germany is so low compared to other EU countries?
Apr 19, 2020 11:20:16 PM Edited Apr 19, 2020 11:25:15 PM by Petra R
Reinier B wrote:Is there any clarity yet on why the death rate in Germany is so low compared to other EU countries?
There are endless theories. I wouldn't say there is "clarity" though, no.
It seems that the key is a good health system and early, aggressive testing.
That said, some other European countries are doing even better than Germany when you look at deaths per Million population... they are simply not under the spotlight as much.
Look
On Our World In Data you can add countries to various graphs. Great stuff!!
Valerio S wrote:Petra maybe you'll be interested in this article.
You had to make me read Italian lol!
Great article and written clearly!
Apr 20, 2020 04:10:48 AM by Rene K
Valerio S wrote:Petra maybe you'll be interested in this article.
You have no idea how frustrating it is when you can understand only about 25% of something that you really want to read 🙂
Apr 20, 2020 05:22:43 AM by Phyllis G
Mary W wrote:Our beaches reopen tomorrow. We had the largest one day increase in cases yesterday (in Mississippi) but that might just be due to massive testing. Our beaches are seldom crowded and especially since there are no tourists in town we should be okay. Schools closed until next school year - no one knows if school will go back early. (Normally they open in mid August). I have to go to the doctor Thursday which will be my first trip to the Real World in 4 weeks.
My relatives in the Florida Panhandle are very concerned that their beaches will re-open soon -- the decision is left to the counties in Florida -- and tourists will come flooding back.
Apr 20, 2020 06:01:37 AM by Petra R
Phyllis G wrote:My relatives in the Florida Panhandle are very concerned that their beaches will re-open soon -- the decision is left to the counties in Florida -- and tourists will come flooding back.
Beaches are not the main problem.
What happens before people get to the beaches (travel etc) and what happens when people are there but not on the beach (hotels, bars, discos, clubs and so on) is where it gets passed on...
Rene, that's how I feel with so many articles in languages I don't speak understand well enough to join the blanks together.
Apr 20, 2020 06:15:28 AM by Jennifer R
Rene K wrote:
Valerio S wrote:Petra maybe you'll be interested in this article.
You have no idea how frustrating it is when you can understand only about 25% of something that you really want to read 🙂
You are allowed to use machine translation for personal use.
Apr 20, 2020 06:32:04 AM Edited Apr 20, 2020 07:08:31 AM by Rene K
Jennifer R wrote:You are allowed to use machine translation for personal use.
I know, right? But when you speak French, Italian sounds so within reach...
Apr 20, 2020 06:52:44 AM Edited Apr 20, 2020 06:54:34 AM by Petra R
Rene K wrote:
Jennifer R wrote:You are allowed to use machine translation for personal use.
I known, right? But when you speak French, Italian sounds so within reach...
I can read simple French well enough to make sense of it. I've never officially learned French but having grown up near the French border we went to Straßbourg often and my best friend from when I was little moved to France so I was there quite a lot. Spanish less so but weirdly I understand clear spoken Spanish better than spoken French.
Apr 20, 2020 06:53:48 AM by Phyllis G
Petra R wrote:
Phyllis G wrote:My relatives in the Florida Panhandle are very concerned that their beaches will re-open soon -- the decision is left to the counties in Florida -- and tourists will come flooding back.
Beaches are not the main problem.
What happens before people get to the beaches (travel etc) and what happens when people are there but not on the beach (hotels, bars, discos, clubs and so on) is where it gets passed on...
Rene, that's how I feel with so many articles in languages I don't
speakunderstand well enough to join the blanks together.
Yes, the worry is people coming from out of town and flooding the local essential businesses, i.e. grocery stores, pharmacies, gas stations. Local residents can avoid restaurants, bars, etc. but it won't do any good if a new wave of infection is brought into the community. It will be incredibly frustrating for those who have been sequestering for months, giving up all of their usual activities, if the floodgates open and they're again inundated with visitors.
Apr 20, 2020 12:01:53 PM by Petra R
Italy reports the lowest number of new cases since March 13. The number of active cases declines for the first time.
New cases 2,256 | new deaths 454 |
The light at the end of the tunnel looks pretty real from where I'm sitting.
🙂
Apr 20, 2020 12:16:32 PM by Valerio S
Rene K wrote:
Valerio S wrote:Petra maybe you'll be interested in this article.
You have no idea how frustrating it is when you can understand only about 25% of something that you really want to read 🙂
Oh, I do! I had the exact same feeling when I started reading articles in German, it's getting better now, but sometimes it comes back and punches me in the face.
Apr 20, 2020 02:52:08 PM by Wendy C
Petra wrote "I can read simple French well enough to make sense of it. I've never officially learned French but having grown up near the French border we went to Straßbourg often and my best friend from when I was little moved to France so I was there quite a lot. Spanish less so but weirdly I understand clear spoken Spanish better than spoken French."
IMHO, while the languages both are Latin based, the Spanish use more vocal intonation and body language then the French.
Apr 20, 2020 11:34:41 PM by Petra R
Wendy C wrote:Petra wrote "I can read simple French well enough to make sense of it. I've never officially learned French but having grown up near the French border we went to Straßbourg often and my best friend from when I was little moved to France so I was there quite a lot. Spanish less so but weirdly I understand clear spoken Spanish better than spoken French."
IMHO, while the languages both are Latin based, the Spanish use more vocal intonation and body language then the French.
Spoken Spanish is closer to Italian than French. Good point about "Latin based"- I did learn Latin for 8 years at school.
Today's charts, which are looking pretty promising!
Apr 21, 2020 12:15:45 AM by Jennifer R
Petra R wrote:
Wendy C wrote:Petra wrote "I can read simple French well enough to make sense of it. I've never officially learned French but having grown up near the French border we went to Straßbourg often and my best friend from when I was little moved to France so I was there quite a lot. Spanish less so but weirdly I understand clear spoken Spanish better than spoken French."
IMHO, while the languages both are Latin based, the Spanish use more vocal intonation and body language then the French.
Spoken Spanish is closer to Italian than French. Good point about "Latin based"- I did learn Latin for 8 years at school.
My personal observation is that if you meet someone with fluent Spanish but an Italian accent, he is from Argentina. I find spoken French easier to follow than written, while it is the other way around with Portuguese.
Apr 21, 2020 12:48:04 AM by Maria T
Jennifer R wrote:
Petra R wrote:
Wendy C wrote:Petra wrote "I can read simple French well enough to make sense of it. I've never officially learned French but having grown up near the French border we went to Straßbourg often and my best friend from when I was little moved to France so I was there quite a lot. Spanish less so but weirdly I understand clear spoken Spanish better than spoken French."
IMHO, while the languages both are Latin based, the Spanish use more vocal intonation and body language then the French.
Spoken Spanish is closer to Italian than French. Good point about "Latin based"- I did learn Latin for 8 years at school.
My personal observation is that if you meet someone with fluent Spanish but an Italian accent, he is from Argentina. I find spoken French easier to follow than written, while it is the other way around with Portuguese.
Both English and French, I can understand them (to say something) better written than spoken.
And I think it is because they do not "speak" (especially in English) what is written. I do not know if I explain.
Apr 21, 2020 04:39:45 AM by Wendy C
Because I studied French all through school I can read it and Spanish - certainly not fluently but adequately. Understanding both about 60-70% of the time/content. Speaking either > only when in-country. Gotta love immersion. 😉
Maria, English is illogical. Pronunciation and grammar ...
Apr 21, 2020 11:05:23 PM Edited Apr 21, 2020 11:10:28 PM by Petra R
No charts today because I can't find the excel book. 😞 Just an error message.
The curves have been looking pretty much the same lately anyway...
Italy has seen a decrease of the currently infected people for the second day running, and the lowest percentage of positive tests at 5.2% to date. We are expecting an announcement that some more restrictions will be lifted any day now.
I am watching the Spanish numbers with some concern and am wondering whether they might have opened up a little too early and a bit much.
Meanwhile, I think the Swedish experiment of not doing much can probably safely be called a failure 😞
Apr 22, 2020 06:32:15 AM by Wendy C
Spain just extended the lockdown period thru mid-May and possibly further -