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Re: My proposals are archived!

elastella
Community Guru
Ela K Member Since: Feb 9, 2015
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Rene K wrote:

Ahmed F wrote:

It just came to my knowledge that other than the "Archived" folder there is a folder called "Shortlisted" which Talent Specialists use to shortlist and recommend certain freelancers to the client!


There is, indeed, a Shortlisted folder along with the Archived folder. They have been here all the time. Clients can browse the applicants and shortlist or archive them. It's actually a very useful feature meant to help clients sort proposals.

 

Here are the available folders for a job posting on the client dashboard:

 

Folders.png

 

I know nothing about Talent Specialists activities other than what Upwork confessed, but it is possible, and actually very probable, that since they were archiving the proposals they thought were irrelevant, they were also shortlisting the ones they saw as good fits.


 

If you are a member of one of the Premium Programs, your designated Talent Agent (not specialist!) can/will shortlist your proposal if you inform them that you have applied for a certain job & send them the link to the posting. It's been like that for a while.

Being shortlisted has NEVER, not once, helped me in any way. Just saying.

ahmed_foula
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Ahmed F Member Since: Nov 26, 2018
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Ela K wrote:

Rene K wrote:

Ahmed F wrote:

It just came to my knowledge that other than the "Archived" folder there is a folder called "Shortlisted" which Talent Specialists use to shortlist and recommend certain freelancers to the client!


There is, indeed, a Shortlisted folder along with the Archived folder. They have been here all the time. Clients can browse the applicants and shortlist or archive them. It's actually a very useful feature meant to help clients sort proposals.

 

Here are the available folders for a job posting on the client dashboard:

 

Folders.png

 

I know nothing about Talent Specialists activities other than what Upwork confessed, but it is possible, and actually very probable, that since they were archiving the proposals they thought were irrelevant, they were also shortlisting the ones they saw as good fits.


 

If you are a member of one of the Premium Programs, your designated Talent Agent (not specialist!) can/will shortlist your proposal if you inform them that you have applied for a certain job & send them the link to the posting. It's been like that for a while.

Being shortlisted has NEVER, not once, helped me in any way. Just saying.


 Good to know!

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elastella
Community Guru
Ela K Member Since: Feb 9, 2015
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Petra R wrote:

Janean L wrote:

I had a fascinating (lengthy) conversation last night (note: just a conversation, not an official consultation) with a practicing attorney. (Ivy-League-educated; top-ten law school honors graduate; practices in a serious NYC firm.)

 

"I can pretty much guarantee you that behind closed doors, their attorneys' heads are exploding and they are screaming: 'NO! You CANNOT DO THIS! Like, What the (F)?!??!?'


 Funnily enough I was chatting (not consulting) with an old friend who is a lawyer (well, actually she is an ADA) in the USA about this nonsense last week and she said the same. 

 


Janean L wrote:

(Makes me wish for a response to the question of whether or not a new practice has replaced the now-discontinued practice of employees designated as Talent Specialists doing what they have termed archiving. That is: Is there a new practice that has replaced the now-discontinued practice of "archiving"?)


 Well, the lack of any answer to the direct and very easily answered question is an answer in itself.

Maybe the so-called TS don't archive anymore, and that job is given to an algorithm instead.

 

 


Well, if you go back to page 26 of this thread and read Maria T's last comment you'll have your answer right there. Yes, they are still making proposals less visible and labelling/marking them (wrongly) as 'unqualified".

dzadza
Community Guru
Sanja D Member Since: Dec 18, 2013
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Can someone from UW please answer:
Are those "Talent Specialists" involved in any way, shape or form without client specifically asking for their "help"?
if the answer is "yes" - then please explain how and to what extent. What exactly are they doing (archiving, re-arranging, suggesting) and what exactly are their qualifications - do they cover only one category, or  several categories?
Judging by invites I got from talent specialists - I don't think they're detail oriented - and sometimes it looked like they didn't even read my profile or job description....

wendy_writes
Community Guru
Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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Rene, thanks for the visual of the available folders for a job posting on the client dashboard.

 

I have to  wonder why U. mods failed to share something this basic nearly 30 pages ago ...

mtngigi
Community Guru
Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
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Wendy C wrote:

Rene, thanks for the visual of the available folders for a job posting on the client dashboard.

 

I have to  wonder why U. mods failed to share something this basic nearly 30 pages ago ...


Because they like keeping us in the darK? Because they don't care about our stress level? What I wonder about is the "All Proposals" folder. Doesn't all mean all?

barada00
Community Guru
Baris A Member Since: Mar 15, 2017
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Virginia F wrote:

 What I wonder about is the "All Proposals" folder. Doesn't all mean all?


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anamariacuesta
Community Guru
Maria C Member Since: Jul 9, 2015
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Actually, proposals that are sent to the end of the list (almost hidden) and labeled as "this freelancer doesn't meet the requirements" are included in the first column, and from what I've heard, I seems that an algorithm does the dirty work.

 

The day that Upworks understand the importance of having good staff to take charge of the important tasks, many things will improve. 

 

The irony is that they sell staff to other companies. 

 

 

dzadza
Community Guru
Sanja D Member Since: Dec 18, 2013
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That's really encouraging...
ok - at this point, I really see no reason to apply for jobs on Upwork - nor to pay for the membership. I have 200 connects as it is -  that itself explains a lot regarding the quality of jobs posted here. And for those few jobs I find interesting - my experience in the last 6 months is telling me that most (if not all)  of my proposals ended up in  "no-no" folder...

lenaellis
Community Manager
Lena E Community Manager Member Since: Apr 7, 2015
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Hi Everyone,

We apologize for the delay, but understand we may not always be able to address posts with urgency, especially over the weekend or holidays. We understand and have read your feedback and grievances. We are glad that many of you are pleased with the Talent Services decision to no longer archive proposals. At the same time, we will not be reimbursing connects. These proposals were archived, not deleted, which means clients still had full access to all submitted proposals and were able to see the total amount of proposals listed in each section.  

 

Rest assured, archiving will not be replaced by any new process. Proposals would only appear  in the Archived list if the client or freelancer took action on the proposal. Talent Specialists will only be shortlisting proposals, as they have done. The Shortlisted list highlights proposals that Talent Specialists want to share with clients, this separate list which does not affect or touch proposals in the All Proposals list.

 

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The All Proposals tab includes all active proposals. Proposals withdrawn by freelancers or clients, and declined invites are not included in this active list, those would be found in the Archived list. The All Proposals list displays Best match as the default sorting order. However, clients can sort the proposal list as they see fit: Newest to Oldest, Highest to Lowest rate, etc. The total amount of proposals in a tab is always visible at the top alongside the navigation link.

 

 

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As for Talent Specialists in general, they will continue improving their services and training. We recognize the comments shared in the Community. Feedback about irrelevant invites is shared with their team and actioned when necessary. Obviously, we wouldn’t keep or push a program that wasn’t working or producing results. Currently, Talent Services assists with around 5% of all jobs on the platform and these jobs have a higher fill rate as well as end with high success rates and great feedback. And as mentioned before, both clients and freelancer are given an option to opt out of the service.

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